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Nivek

Nivek

Athena guide me, the thunder God...
Just to be clear: I AM NOT ASKING FOR BUFFS .. OFC HE DOESN'T NEED ANY!!
All this are just my opinion about fixing some stuff that raiden already have, ok guys? ;)

After his big nerf of F1 changed into high (which i think it was a wise change) you can see that anyone need to play every move that Raiden has...
But when you start playing his other moves you can see he has some programmed mistakes..

So lets begin:

(b1),1 : (mid), mid that whiffs.. and i mean he whiff not because the opponent did a low profile move..he whiffs because opponent is ducking!! this is our last hope for close range mid!! FIX PLEASE!! Video:

f2 :15 frame mid, that if you're half character away , it whiffs on many ducking character and also many times go through standing opponents... its slow, shorter than it looks and can be low profiled easily!! hitbox FIX PLEASE!!

F4: 24(!) frame mid -12.. wasn't this move suppose to be overhead?? if not why is it -12?? because it does 11%, is anti low at his 10th frame or more, and it has hard knockdown?? something is wrong about this..change his block adv to -9 ~ -10 or make it overhead.. FIX PLEASE!!

b3,4 : 13f low to MID .. wrong block advantage on command list (at least -10 or more) and wrong frame date saying its overhead!! FIX PLEASE!! (EDIT: FIXED WITH CANCEL)

d3: 8frame low poke: his low profile frames are extremely small.. FIX maybe??

That's all folks!!!

P.S.: small buff Master of storms variation(maybe his recovery on orbs)
big buff displacer!!! i dont what...everything is awful in this variation(except f2,1+2 that's great!!)..
 
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brizzle

MKKI
Nivek said:
Just to be clear: I AM NOT ASKING FOR BUFFS .. OFC HE DOESN'T NEED ANY!!
All this are just my opinion about fixing some stuff that raiden already have, ok guys? ;)

After his big nerf of F1 changed into high (which i think it was a wise change) you can see that anyone need to play every move that Raiden has...
But when you start playing his other moves you can see he has some programmed mistakes..

So lets begin:

(b2),2 : (mid), mid that whiffs.. and i mean he whiff not because the opponent did a low profile move..he whiffs because opponent is ducking!! this is our last hope for close range mid!! FIX PLEASE!!

f2 :15 frame mid, that if you're half character away , it whiffs on many ducking character and also many times go through standing oppenents... its slow, shorter than it looks and can be low profiled easily!! hitbox FIX PLEASE!!

F4: 24(!) frame mid -12.. wasn't this move suppose to be overhead?? if not why is it -12?? because it does 11%, is anti low at his 10th frame or more, and it has hard knockdown?? something is wrong about this..change his block adv to -9 ~ -10 or make it overhead.. FIX PLEASE!!

b3,4 : 13f low to MID .. wrong block advantage on command list (at least -10 or more) and wrong frame date saying its overhead!! FIX PLEASE!!

d3: 8frame low poke: his low profile frames are extremely small.. FIX maybe??

That's all folks!!!

P.S.: small buff Master of storms variation(maybe his recovery on orbs)
big buff displacer!!! i dont what...everything is awful in this variation(except f2,1+2 that's great!!)..
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I agree on everything but I think you mean b1,1 in the first point
 
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Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
You can't just say "obviously this string was intended to be such and such so buff it and call it a fix". I agree with mids whiffing but BUFFING F4(which is exactly what you are implying) is unnecessary.
 
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brizzle

MKKI
Zoidberg747 said:
You can't just say "obviously this string was intended to be such and such so buff it and call it a fix". I agree with mids whiffing but BUFFING F4(which is exactly what you are implying) is unnecessary.
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an advancing move that's slow and highly negative with no pushback. If it was overhead there'd be a reason to use it. Unless it gets some pushback or less negative it's useless.

TG raiden lacks in nuetral now and mos/Displacer desperately need something in the nuetral. A buff to f4 would help. I know every character has at least 1 useless move, but that shouldn't mean we can't talk about a reasonable buff to terrible normal
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
brizzle said:
an advancing move that's slow and highly negative with no pushback. If it was overhead there'd be a reason to use it. Unless it gets some pushback or less negative it's useless.

TG raiden lacks in nuetral now and mos/Displacer desperately need something in the nuetral. A buff to f4 would help. I know every character has at least 1 useless move, but that shouldn't mean we can't talk about a reasonable buff that would help his biggest weakness in all variations
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He's not lacking in neutral , that's an absolute silly statement.

If his mids were actually mid that would help his neutral just fine. He could probably be fine without even that.
 
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brizzle

MKKI
Zoidberg747 said:
He's not lacking in neutral , that's an absolute silly statement.

If his mids were actually mid that would help his neutral just fine. He could probably be fine without even that.
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hes free to d1s up lose and his best footsie tools are a slow f2 a slow d4 or an even slower b3,2 for mid range. His other variations have even less. Feel free to debate. B1,1 not wiffing is all he needs I agree, but a safer f4 would not be overkill.
 
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Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
brizzle said:
hes free to d1s up lose and his best footsie tools are a slow f2 a slow d4 or an even slower b3,2 for mid range. His other variations have even less. Feel free to debate. B1,1 not wiffing is all he needs I agree, but a safer f4 would not be overkill.
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It would be for Thunder God, which is what a universal normal buff would do.

If anything they should buff Displacer's and MoS' unique moves to maybe make them more viable. I would really like them to buff MoS as I have always thought it was super cool.
 
BigMilk

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
I dont think Raiden lacks in neutral at all, but low pokes are really good vs his approaches. I agree b1 shouldn't whiff and feel like that's the only change he should have, however off he weren't too receive anything that would be fine.
 
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brizzle

MKKI
I might have spoken to harshly. I don't necessarily think he lacks in the nuetral, he has tools to compete, it's just that other characters have better footsies, spacing, and frame data than raiden. But he makes up for it with damage, mixups, meter building and armor though, so I still think he's balanced and a strong character. F4 buffed to -9 would help but he doesn't need it

My wish list for next patch:

B1,1 hitbox larger
Displacer - teleport recovery from -29 to -19
Mos - orbs stun on impact
 
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Vilén

Vilén

too smart to play MKX
Low Blow said:
I agree with these changes. I too feel like the other variations especially need changes like having run cancels in the other variations too or something
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Giving LRC's to all of Raiden's variations is such a malformed and lazy idea. Keep it Thunder God exclusive. His other variations need to actually be good at what they do rather than just being Thunder God with no enhanced strings.
 
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brizzle

MKKI
Vilén said:
Giving LRC's to all of Raiden's variations is such a malformed and lazy idea. Keep it Thunder God exclusive. His other variations need to actually be good at what they do rather than just being Thunder God with no enhanced strings.
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What he needs are his other two variation tools buffed. Idk why there so afraid to give his teleport a buff. His mk9 tele wasn't even that good. And his orbs need a hitbox
 
BigMilk

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
My statement earlier was partly me being in denial. IMO Raiden's neutral is lacking and those knowledgeable of the MU can exploit this. Still think he is a good character despite having a major flaw in his game. when he touches you and only when he touches you, he gets to play how he wants.
 
ismael4790

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
I know TG is the best variation at the moment, but I use Displacer and I like it a lot.
But teleport recovery should be a bit faster...
 
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