General/Other - Takeda Tweaks that could help w/o making Takeda OP

gam224 said:

He needs better wake up but in return i think he needs to have his air teleport increase in recovery. I am always reminded of martian manhunter's overhead safe teleport whenever takeda air teleports then nj punches or grabs.

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Immortal Kombat said:

Am I the only takeda that doesn't use f1,2+4? I've never relied on it because of the gaps. I've used f3, and d1,d3, backdash because I'd rather be in b2,1 range anyways. If they fix the armor gaps, I'll use it. But I'm fine either way.

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StealthyMuffin said:

Takeda's whiffed IAtele isn't at all safe, though. It's one of the worst mobility purposed teleports...

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hayatei said:

I've been saying blade call hitbox need to get fixed, I think that's the only buff/change that ronin needs. I think just that would make a HUGE difference

Also while #2 would fix shirai ryu issues against characters with fast launching armors, it might make ronin blade drop quick call pressure way too strong and braindead. #1 would already make the ronin metagame have less depth/more boring to me on top of that

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REDRUM said:

here is how you make Takeda really good....

let @SonicFox5000 main him next tourney

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gam224 said:

I don't agree. It's recovery is so quick and personally wouldn't you be willing to give that up for better wake up?

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alkipot said:

I still honestly think Takeda isn't the godawful bottom tier character this forum says he is. Not with the normals he has, no way. Want faster normals? Reduce the shit out of his range then.

How a character can have anti-airing, near full screen normals and specials plus a (near safe air)teleport but can still be considered "horrible" and "low tier" is really fucking amazing.

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aieches said:

seriously- play takeda for a month straight you will see what people mean...Just cause somethings personally hard to deal with doesnt make it good. the same normals you talk about are the same ones others bait and blow up from knowing the match up

Questions to ask -
why no takeda @ EVO? .. i mean we saw just as much of him as we saw of goro
why is he low mid to bottom on every high tournament placers "tier" list ...
Yomi had 3 players place top 8 at evo and one of them was Zyphox - who dropped takeda for lui kang so apparently Some skill was always there - think about how hard he used to fight for takeda - jumped ship and with like a 1.5 month old Kang (buffs and nerfs) he places top 8 at EVO
Raptor, Homelee, and st9rm do great with Takeda , but yet 2 days after they have something thats viewed by the masses- more people start to blow through the holes in our strings cause at high level play opponents wont hesitant to exploit these weaknesses. ..

Takeda was a solid mid tier and nothing has changed about him---but that was before every one else started getting buffs .. Kitana ,Reptile, Kang, Mileena, Kano, Shinnok, Quan chi, ermac, so by defualt- as everyone gets tweaks that move them up - its becomng hard to hang with them.. NOT IMPOSSIBLE- just harder.

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RedRaptor10 said:

You're probably right. I editted my post and removed #4 as well. I still think the gap in f122+4 should be fixed, but I'd be fine if it stayed as is cuz there are still ways around it.

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aieches said:

seriously- play takeda for a month straight you will see what people mean...Just cause somethings personally hard to deal with doesnt make it good. the same normals you talk about are the same ones others bait and blow up from knowing the match up

Questions to ask -
why no takeda @ EVO? .. i mean we saw just as much of him as we saw of goro
why is he low mid to bottom on every high tournament placers "tier" list ...
Yomi had 3 players place top 8 at evo and one of them was Zyphox - who dropped takeda for lui kang so apparently Some skill was always there - think about how hard he used to fight for takeda - jumped ship and with like a 1.5 month old Kang (buffs and nerfs) he places top 8 at EVO
Raptor, Homelee, and st9rm do great with Takeda , but yet 2 days after they have something thats viewed by the masses- more people start to blow through the holes in our strings cause at high level play opponents wont hesitant to exploit these weaknesses. ..

Takeda was a solid mid tier and nothing has changed about him---but that was before every one else started getting buffs .. Kitana ,Reptile, Kang, Mileena, Kano, Shinnok, Quan chi, ermac, so by defualt- as everyone gets tweaks that move them up - its becomng hard to hang with them.. NOT IMPOSSIBLE- just harder.

and you talk about range.. theres still Ronin - which would be a very solid character yet one of his most dependent moves is far from consistent - hits once here, twices here, whiffs there,, doesnt come out.. etc. like for the people that constantly hit Ronin BC combos online i tip my hats of to you.. anything less than full bars and i might as well be playing with my eyes closed trying to land those bnbs

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HomeLee1121 said:

oooooohhhh i saw my name in here haha thanks.

Honestly....i really don't know what NRS should do to takeda that won't make him stupid OP lol Maybe like small things like B21 2+4 should not have a gap and shouldn't be -27 on block b/c when takeda is at his last 20% of health, Throwing b2 at all at that point is a risk b/c some characters can punish tele cancel and majority can blow through any gap with armor.

I mean yeah i complained a lot in the beginning but honestly after a while of stop whining and just grinding matches. I feel takeda is still an awesome character. Probably top 15 imo.

At CEO...honestly...i blew through my pool....pretty free too. I only lost to wound and reo. Reo knew the MU but i could still didn't feel too comfortable in the MU. Wound...i could tell didn't really know it but he is a tremendous player and pretty much our set came down to the last match and he just kept me from playing my game and he won.

Yeah takeda has a lot of gaps but honestly i use it to my advantage. Each match you want to test your opponent see if they can armor through kunai. They can? okay well honestly they have to spend a bar to do it. Once they are out. Constant pressure or they can't wake up anymore. That's what i did at CEO. Everyone kept blowing meter to blow up kunai and they were out of meter and couldnt' really do anything at certain points.

That's just takeda's strong suit, people are uncomfortable fighting him. I have honestly yet played anyone that's like "yessss this is going to be free b/c he uses takeda". At this point.....takeda only has a niche of representatives and that only means only a few players are going to get MU Exp against him. I don't really see anyone going to the lab and figuring out what to do against takeda lol they just go in thinking "okay...just keep armoring kunai".


Edit: Oh i know...maybe make f1 2+4 actually anti air everyone in the cast lol i notice it whiffs a lot on female characters when they are close to above you lol

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aieches said:

i feel the same - its hard to say just what he needs to contend but what he doesnt to be OP .. but when every character around that was in a similar boat is getting some focus i think its bout time that takeda had a focus sit down as well. esp when hes just not used .. i havent seen a ronin or lasher since in like 2 months. even with the lasher buffs. And the only ronins i see are when i link up with people from this site.

so gap changes, hitbox/hurtbox changes, active frame changes, i dunno but i feel its gotta either comes soon or not at all and this is just what we have... i mean, ill be stickin with him through it all, i cant say there wont be days where i just get frustrated with him.


i was always an avid "no whining" preacher but then i look at how subzero got castrated, and look at Kitana ,Kenshi, and shinnok got some attention and it makes me wonder.. so i may not ( hopefully it doesnt sounds like im ) whinning but i will try to me more vocal about things .. Yet,, i feel that the same people that are fighting for takeda to be looked at are in fact the same people who are on here every day searching and testing out new tech for the masses.

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hayatei said:

I seriously believe Takeda is currently tournament viable. Hopefully I'll improve enough to prove it by Canada Cup and NEC

He's probably gonna get buffed before those tournaments anyway

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aieches said:

its not really... D2 on reaction all day...or block the njp.. 7/10 times its whats coming next. ... pretty much everything Takeda does in the air and be punished when not on hit

air tele - punish
air spear - punish
air tornado kick- after Takeda phone calls you and your entire family letting everyone know hes about to do this spin kick in the air that will last an entire week- Punish,

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gam224 said:

air tele is only easy to punish if you have a quick uppercut. I main kitana and this is pretty difficult to deal with on read or reaction. What it comes down to is takeda needs better wake up and i think a nerf on his air tele is a fair trade off for getting super armour on the ex back forward 2 (forgot the name.)

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StealthyMuffin said:

Stand 1 into literally any of Kitana's specials. Boom.

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gam224 said:

really?! thanks

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gam224 said:

air tele is only easy to punish if you have a quick uppercut. I main kitana and this is pretty difficult to deal with on read or reaction. What it comes down to is takeda needs better wake up and i think a nerf on his air tele is a fair trade off for getting super armour on the ex back forward 2 (forgot the name.)

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StealthyMuffin said:

NP, bruh.

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