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General/Other - Sub-Zero Does Predator Invalidate Sub-Zero?

Does Predator Invalidate Sub-Zero

  • No

    Votes: 58 38.4%
  • Yes

    Votes: 47 31.1%
  • Too early too tell

    Votes: 46 30.5%

  • Total voters
    151

ZeZe

The smart stuff!
It certainly seems like Predator Is SZ 2.0 *Now with working traps and higher damage!*

That is, until the inevitable nerf..then who knows
No nerf to Pred will make inconsistency to all ice klone cancels go away. Even if Pred dmg will be the same as GM Sub (pretty low), Pred still will be better. Plus, every Preddie IS Unbreakable Sub (hopes for this variation are almost lost). And finally, I just can't picture Pred traps disappear on block.
 

ColdBoreMK23

Noob Saibot
The one thing I don't like, which might just be me is Predators mobility compared to Subby.

Other than that, I'm liking the character a lot and can't wait to see what Tom and others come up with in the Hunter variation.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
Mine doesn't activate immediately unless he spends meter like clone does, Subzero way more mobile, Iceball goes into full combo on trade with projectiles, EX iceball destroys projectiles for free combo and set up from anywhere on screen, and has a universal anti airing meterless overhead starter...

No these are no the same character. Just because Hunter and Grandmaster both are trap based doesn't make them the same
Niche differences in toolsets don't make the characters playstyle massively different. Hunter and Grandmaster are very similar characters
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
It certainly seems like Predator Is SZ 2.0 *Now with working traps and higher damage!*

That is, until the inevitable nerf..then who knows
You are missing the point. Nobody is dropping Sub-Zero because he's not top tier. Look how long Brady stuck with Sub-Zero in MK9.

We are dropping him because hes so inconsistent. We want a characters who's specials actually come out, Predator is the new traps and NRS is gunna show him love if any bugs arise, so far hes looking clean, and thats all anybody wants.
 

-narshkajke-

klone enthusiast
You are missing the point. Nobody is dropping Sub-Zero because he's not top tier. Look how long Brady stuck with Sub-Zero in MK9.

We are dropping him because hes so inconsistent. We want a characters who's specials actually come out, Predator is the new traps and NRS is gunna show him love if any bugs arise, so far hes looking clean, and thats all anybody wants.
but habibi do we accept this injustice against sub? while all others characters got fixes and buffs, sub is left with a broken klone.
 

ZeZe

The smart stuff!
but habibi do we accept this injustice against sub? while all others characters got fixes and buffs, sub is left with a broken klone.
We could compose video after video showcasing klone cancels of all kinds sometimes whiffing, sometimes not and yelling, how unacceptable that is. Paulo is a smart guy, he knows this already. The game mechanics (3D hitboxes) is what limits klone set-ups to basically shield and projectile on occasion. Anything else is burdened with risk. Unbreakable is now pretty fked up, since all Pred variations have his no chip dmg tool. Cryomancer might be the only one that might be viable at this point with few tweaks. All we can do is creating threads or bumping up existing ones and get flamed that we dare to claim Sub needs anything. HE IS FINE!
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
When your main SZ rep says he's a better SZ, what do you expect?
So is Brady the official Predator rep? He shit on me for not playing Subzero GM when I tried talking about him yet he puts in 2 hours with Predator (way less time than I put in with GM) and that counts as enough time to make everything he says about the character official? TYM logic hard at work already
 

Iced_Taz

Characters loyalist :)
Remember that character had been released one day ago !!!!!!!

Of course he is OP !!!!!

Wait few weeks and Predator will get serious nerf.

Do you remember Scorpion in Injustice or Tanya in MKX ?
 

RM_NINfan101

Nine Inch Nails fan from Metro Detroit, Michigan
People to think for themselves about the actual differences between the two characters. One is not an improved clone (lol) of the other. This isn't like Ryu and Evil Ryu in Ultra.
I mean he's his own character who happens to have similar moves from others just like your Ryu/E.Ryu example. Won't say they're exactly the same, not by a long shot, but is this really something to sour over?
 

RM_NINfan101

Nine Inch Nails fan from Metro Detroit, Michigan
So is Brady the official Predator rep? He shit on me for not playing Subzero GM when I tried talking about him yet he puts in 2 hours with Predator (way less time than I put in with GM) and that counts as enough time to make everything he says about the character official? TYM logic hard at work already
I really have nothing to do with that I'm afraid. I also never said he was. Just everyone knows Tom as the Sub-zero guy.
 

aieches

#freeHomelee2016
as someone who plays basically only takeda (SR) and Sub (all 3) -- predator is looking really like the best of both worlds right now ..i can not deny that.
some of predator's weaknesses are the same but he comes out a bit more on top in the long run . and his strengths seem to out weigh them both also. yes sub has a better wake up game than pred, but until (if) he gets nerfed, i think predators damage and trap game make up for it ten fold., guess time will tell.

and i just ordered a takeda and R-subzero beadart thing.. looks like ill have to order a predator one also.
 

Vagrant

Noob
I mean he's his own character who happens to have similar moves from others just like your Ryu/E.Ryu example. Won't say they're exactly the same, not by a long shot, but is this really something to sour over?
No and normally I would leave stuff like this alone. But the SZ community is especially silly sometimes. In every patch thread asking where their buffs are, Brady's hilarious series of clone rants, for a while it seemed that every thread, no matter what it was about, turned into a talk about Sub Zero being shafted in the patch and the buffs he needed. Just for arguments sake lets say I agree that Sub Zero could use some tweaks, I still would say that the way they've gone about talking about it on TYM is obnoxious.

So I saw this and it was like "oh for fuck sake, really? I'm going to be a smartass."
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
So is Brady the official Predator rep? He shit on me for not playing Subzero GM when I tried talking about him yet he puts in 2 hours with Predator (way less time than I put in with GM) and that counts as enough time to make everything he says about the character official? TYM logic hard at work already
Holy crap you are sour aren't you.

Nobody is saying anything like that. TB had however already started contributing to Predator and obviously contributed a shitload more to Sub Zero than you have to either. He gets to have an opinion here.

On top of that, nobody is saying "these ywo characters are similar because TB says so". That's 100% your projection and your made up way of complaining bout everyone who is disagreeing with you. People are saying they are similar because they ARE similar, and if you truly do have any experience with GM it's hard to believe that you can't see and feel it in gameplay/plan for Predator.
 

Colares

Noob
So is Brady the official Predator rep? He shit on me for not playing Subzero GM when I tried talking about him yet he puts in 2 hours with Predator (way less time than I put in with GM) and that counts as enough time to make everything he says about the character official? TYM logic hard at work already
Join the club on my advice for Sid on first page.
I scream on twiter 10 people will hear they scream on twitch hundreads at least.
Who is right doesn't matter in this case.
 

RM_NINfan101

Nine Inch Nails fan from Metro Detroit, Michigan
No and normally I would leave stuff like this alone. But the SZ community is especially silly sometimes. In every patch thread asking where their buffs are, Brady's hilarious series of clone rants, for a while it seemed that every thread, no matter what it was about, turned into a talk about Sub Zero being shafted in the patch and the buffs he needed. Just for arguments sake lets say I agree that Sub Zero could use some tweaks, I still would say that the way they've gone about talking about it on TYM is obnoxious.

So I saw this and it was like "oh for fuck sake, really? I'm going to be a smartass."
And to that I say, welcome to TYM my friend. Enjoy your stay. :p

I do get that by now, the point has been made for SZ. This really shouldn't carry over to other threads. But the question essentially was: Does Predator render SZ obsolete? You knew what was coming from the topic title. I still feel it's a viable question. The SZ players so far say yes. You disagree. But yeah, I do understand the constant annoyance at times when the front page has 5 SZ topics on it with the many issues the character has.
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
Holy crap you are sour aren't you.

Nobody is saying anything like that. TB had however already started contributing to Predator and obviously contributed a shitload more to Sub Zero than you have to either. He gets to have an opinion here.

On top of that, nobody is saying "these ywo characters are similar because TB says so". That's 100% your projection and your made up way of complaining bout everyone who is disagreeing with you. People are saying they are similar because they ARE similar, and if you truly do have any experience with GM it's hard to believe that you can't see and feel it in gameplay/plan for Predator.
I already said they we're similar but that doesn't mean that Predator makes Subzero "invalid" like the thread title or TB would make him out to be. This started when TB shut my opinion down because he claimed I don't play either character, Hunter or GM, when he was simply talking out of his ass and I in fact do play GM and have as much experience with hunter as anyone else that downloaded him 12 hours ago lol
 

aieches

#freeHomelee2016
also i dont get why people dont understand what the OP is talking about. its a valid thought. i mean predator wasnt here at launch so why wouldnt people take the time to compare their current main to the new releases. Seems like a very wise choice . its prob something everyone should do. why not go down the list and see stride for stride how you feel this or any new character stacks up against your current main. whether its subzero or not.

Subzero just seems to come to the forefront cause the things that GM sub depends on.. Predator seems to have better SAFER options doing the same thing.. The thing that makes Cyro good, Predator can match - set-up wise AND damage wise. and unbreakable is unbreakable so theres that.

seriously- if you dont wanna add anything actually debate worthy - why even bother?