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Question - Reptile Reptile's needed Forceball buff

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
I agree but now
You're stuck with a bottom 3 character. Which in a weird way is what you wanted.. But anyways good luck
I don't think he's bottom 3, but cool man.

Even if he is, I'm fine with it lol. Because he's not exactly that big of a struggle for a bottom 3 character.

After playing UNIEL, it's hard to be emo about low tiers lol.
 

Zaccel

Noob
Umm..Doesn't that work already as a combo?. I sure remember it worked.
Sorry, I meant to the effect of 'mid-combo'. It works fine as a starter, but there's not much reason to when f412xxbf2 is available meterless. If I'm correct f412xxEX df3 whiffs by a hair in juggles, and I think that'd make for a worthwhile use of meter. Something like f412xxbf2, f412xxEX df3, njp, f412xxbf4 could be really useful.

If there are situations where that does work, do tell; I'd take any reason to use EX FBs more often.
 
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Ashenar

Just a slightly above average player.....
I don't think reptile is complete trash at all. I think forceballs tbh aren't meant to be zoned with in this game. In the other games I could see it because he didn't have access to a high low game. But in this game he has a high low a strong whiff punisher that gives access to a 1 bar safe launcher in a string for easy hit confirms. A full screen punish on any part of the screen and access to a staminaless movement option. Sure he's going to have match ups that are hard but he's not this helpless nun most people make him out to be.
 

Zaccel

Noob
I don't think reptile is complete trash at all. I think forceballs tbh aren't meant to be zoned with in this game. In the other games I could see it because he didn't have access to a high low game. But in this game he has a high low a strong whiff punisher that gives access to a 1 bar safe launcher in a string for easy hit confirms. A full screen punish on any part of the screen and access to a staminaless movement option.
Forceballs aren't very useful for zoning, but they're not terribly useful for pressure, either. They aren't great for oki unless you spend meter--which Reptile has issues with.

As for the non-Forceball stuff, it's not about what Reptile doesn't have--he's quite well-rounded--but that the stuff he does have doesn't seem to be working as intended. Both slides are reliable punishes, but for comparison Sub-Zero's gives a hard knockdown. ED is good for mobility, but I can't help but think that the whiff recovery (and to some extent, the risk if you do it too close and get blocked) undermines that purpose a bit. On most knockdowns you can whiff one for meter, though. That's nice to have.

Reptile's definitely not helpless, but some fine-tuning to Forceballs could straighten out some issues with zoning and meter without going nuts.
 

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Deceptive reptile should have a passive ability like noxious. Mind you he will still have his dd3 invisibility. What I mean is the longer he isn't touched he starts to fade into it. What do you guys think?
 
I'm just gonna be real with y'all for a second..

This would not make Reptile broken.

1. Decreased startup on Forceball now 20 frames, down from 33 frames

2. Acid Spit damage increased by 2 making it 7% up from 5%

3. Ex Klaw Pounce now -5 on block down from -1,000,000 frames

4. Ex Slide is now a pop-up allowing for a small juggle.. aka same type of pop-up as Ex Reptilian Dash

How's that?
 
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I don't think he's bottom 3, but cool man.

Even if he is, I'm fine with it lol. Because he's not exactly that big of a struggle for a bottom 3 character.

After playing UNIEL, it's hard to be emo about low tiers lol.
You know those low tiers are about to be buffed though right main?? My boy Seth is gonna be getting some help! Lol

Reptile needs it!
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
You know those low tiers are about to be buffed though right main?? My boy Seth is gonna be getting some help! Lol

Reptile needs it!
Yeah, but the thing is, I don't think Reptile is low tier. I think a few characters give him issues, but he does well vs many.
 
I think he's near the bottom 10 like DJT says with his tier list. The matchups he has trouble with are some of the most played characters in the game. One of them being Sub-Zero. If he could combo off Ex slide that would be amazing! :)
 

ENDeverMORE

The incredible introvert
I'm just gonna be real with y'all for a second..

This would not make Reptile broken.

1. Decreased startup on Forceball now 20 frames, down from 33 frames

2. Acid Spit damage increased by 2 making it 7% up from 5%

3. Ex Klaw Pounce now -5 on block down from -17 frames

4. Ex Slide is now a pop-up allowing for a small juggle.. aka same type of pop-up as Ex Reptilian Dash

How's that?
What's the reasoning behind making EX slide popup?
I know literally nothing about Reptile, so if you're asking for his slide to start a combo, (which generically are fast low knockdown moves, that are heavily minus) I'm assuming his slide must be lacking in some area to warrant asking for a pop up.
What negative part of his EX slide needs to be balanced by making it start a small juggle?
Because I don't think 'get off me tools' should be able to be used as a way to flip the tables completely.
 

DubiousShenron

Beware my power.
3. Ex Klaw Pounce now -5 on block down from -17 frames
do you realize that the close and far versions of klaw pounce are -73 on block? theyre the most punishable moves in the game, no joke. scorpion has a teleport that tracks (requires no spacing or timing) that accomplishes basically the same thing a far pounce, but reptiles move is 3x as punishable. just letting you know

I feel the same way about spit being 7% on being, being that its as punishable as point blank ice ball for some god damn reason.

the forceballs might be a little too good for what youre suggesting...

and the EX slide buff would be WAY too good..i mean theres way better stuff in the game, but slide goes full screen in about 7 frames and has armor. too good
 
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ENDeverMORE

The incredible introvert
do you realize that the close and far versions of klaw pounce are -73 on block?
I'm assuming that you've looked at the frames in the in game movelist? I'd take it with a pinch of.. Make that a fist full of salt.
If it were really minus 74, you cant do anything for a whole second... And whole... Second.. Sounds a little dumb.
And mileena's F3 cant punish it
 

DubiousShenron

Beware my power.
I'm assuming that you've looked at the frames in the in game movelist? I'd take it with a pinch of.. Make that a fist full of salt.
If it were really minus 74, you cant do anything for a whole second... And whole... Second.. Sounds a little dumb.
And mileena's F3 cant punish it

the frame data on forceballs are retarded, it says the revovery is -500 something. i made a post about this awhile back
http://testyourmight.com/threads/actual-recovery-frames-on-forceballs-and-kale-pounce.51232/
 
What's the reasoning behind making EX slide popup?
I know literally nothing about Reptile, so if you're asking for his slide to start a combo, (which generically are fast low knockdown moves, that are heavily minus) I'm assuming his slide must be lacking in some area to warrant asking for a pop up.
What negative part of his EX slide needs to be balanced by making it start a small juggle?
Because I don't think 'get off me tools' should be able to be used as a way to flip the tables completely.
The reason ex slide should be a pop-up (like his crawl worked in mk4 it even looks similar) is because there is little to no reason for Ex Reptilian Dash in this game. The Sub-Zero matchup would be not as awful. You obviously can't go to any other variation to help you. The best thing ex dash does for you is sometimes it's a more optimal punish from a distance. Still a waste of meter in my opinion though because you need that meter for combos.

Some people don't realize, Reptile needs meter, he starves for meter against grandmaster Sub-Zero and one of your best options for clone is a Ex Slide giving you little to no damage, and then you don't have meter for combos. Reptile doesn't just suffer at the hands of Sub though, he can be outzoned by a good player. He used to be locked down by pressure, but at least they fixed that. Bottom line though is his 50/50's don't net him very much damage and can not leave the opponent standing like so many other characters in the game. Quan and Shinnok.. 50/50's to trances, Cassie and others DINg Dong!!! You're standing! No wakeup! Reptile you can always wakeup you can tech roll 80% of the time. He knocks you down only to be at risk again, with no great way to build more meter. So tight
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Buffing a character based on one matchup is not the way to go. Yeah, this is good for that matchup, but it also affects his other matchups. Not to mention, you're giving Reptile a 6 frame low launcher that travels near full screen and anti-airs. I don't think that's something he really needs.
 
Buffing a character based on one matchup is not the way to go. Yeah, this is good for that matchup, but it also affects his other matchups. Not to mention, you're giving Reptile a 6 frame low launcher that travels near full screen and anti-airs. I don't think that's something he really needs.
How about the nerf we get is we only get two variations to use? There really isn't much to them anyway. @THTB how about armor on Ex Reptilian Dash? Too much? Btw I agree the slide buff might be a little much, but it's not just for Sub ;)
 

Ashenar

Just a slightly above average player.....
I think he's near the bottom 10 like DJT says with his tier list. The matchups he has trouble with are some of the most played characters in the game. One of them being Sub-Zero. If he could combo off Ex slide that would be amazing! :)
so let me get this right. You want two armored launchers and a better zoning game? Hah
 
All I want is some Variations really. Forceball also sucks. It's not good for zoning. It's not good for setups. It's not good for pressure. It sucks all around.

I gotta say some stuff to get y'all riled up hahah. Some people playing this game didn't play Mk4 or even mk9. You guys don't know of lord Reptile and his glory.