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TheGrimMagician

TheGrimMagician

Let Us Dance
F1,4,3 is Godlike to me. I've always used it cause it's just so good. Crushes armor wake ups, good damage, hard knockdown, oki. The momentum carry. One of the best things is it's unexpected potency. They never ever see it coming (the overhead) cause it's one of the lesser used strings.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
TheGrimMagician said:
F1,4,3 is Godlike to me. I've always used it cause it's just so good. Crushes armor wake ups, good damage, hard knockdown, oki. The momentum carry. One of the best things is it's unexpected potency. They never ever see it coming (the overhead) cause it's one of the lesser used strings.
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All that is true, except the hard knockdown part :( it looks like one, but it's a techable knockdown. F14 is a hard knockdown tho, but only if it hits a grounded oponent, otherwise it's techable.
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
Ethereal is really good now. Going to add more info to the section soon in the guide. I've been putting more time into the variation than the rest for now because I'm wanting to flesh it out. I may end up switching to it as a starting variation, but unlike others, I'm still not all the way convinced that it's her strongest variation atm. I still think that Piecing may be the best all-around variation all around. Especially for people who are just now picking up the character. You also need 2 bars of meter in this variation.

I just like the tech traps over more zoning properties & low sai mixups (Piercing) & grabbing, biting/ticking shenanigans with more raw damage. Neutral game isn't a problem when you properly know how to play it.

I've been getting 31 or 32% meterless combos with starters going into roll, ending the combos with B22, 1+3, so it's definitely good with the damage, although the weakest in terms of damage, which is great.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
I think Piercing = Ravenous > Ethereal.
Ethereal is good now but not as good as the other two IMO, the problem of that variation is how meter dependent she is, but honestly it would be dumb if she was able to do all ther dirt meterless. I'm used to playing meter dependent characters and she won't be the exception. Piercing and Ravenous are by far my favorites, but Ethereal is fun. :)
 
dph1990

dph1990

Noob
I could have wept tears of joy with this new patch. I'm a staunch Mileena/Kitana loyalist and couldn't be happier with Mileena now. I've totally switched to Ravenous - the health regen, more reliable hitbox on the bite attack and the improved b+22 just make her feel amazing to play. I'm so happy ethereal has improved too; it might not be as viable as the other two but it's SO stylish and fun. It's a good time to be a servant of the Kahnum! :D
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
Guys, here's some food for thought. Start looking more into D1. What I mean is start looking at the anti-air properties for NJPs & long range JI's. It's well worth it. In tournament play, D1 conversions are huge. Do not overlook Mileena's D1. Scorpion's D1 is still good now & he gets good damage from it. Kitana's D1 is even better now, to the point she can do a lot with it. So can Mileena.
 
1man3letters

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
JDE said:
Guys, here's some food for thought. Start looking more into D1. What I mean is start looking at the anti-air properties for NJPs & long range JI's. It's well worth it. In tournament play, D1 conversions are huge. Do not overlook Mileena's D1. Scorpion's D1 is still good now & he gets good damage from it. Kitana's D1 is even better now, to the point she can do a lot with it. So can Mileena.
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yea before the patch mileena's d1 might of well not existed (just like in mk9,shitty hitbox and minus on hit lol) but now its actually pretty decent
 
ZeroEffect

ZeroEffect

Noob
I see @JDE beat me to it. But wow.
This D1 fix is serious. It can actually interrupt pressure while smacking people as they get off the ground for like 30%.

D1 now makes landing some of her harder run cancel combos easier. Also gives her a bit more corner carry for those who like her corner game. (D1 in the corner...)

B34~sai~run D1~F23~Roll~run under D1, Uppercut
F12, B4~EX Telekick~sai~run D1, F23~Roll
Roll, B34~sai, run D1, B12~Roll
NJP, run D1, F23~Roll, etc etc.

The D1 does less than 1 percent extra, but it makes the timing way easier.
 
TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
I remember someone saying pre patch that D1 was actually a decent anti air for cross up jumps. I'm guessing now it will be a lot better
 
Yoaks

Yoaks

A spaceman
Not only d1. But s1 and s2 are great for jips and crossups. Practicing on good ji's like Kenshis j1 is really good and im constantly aaing him. Combo goes as such. 1/2 ~ f23 roll ~ f23 cmd grab (b21 1+3 for piercing). 30/31/28%.
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
ZeroEffect said:
I see @JDE beat me to it. But wow.
This D1 fix is serious. It can actually interrupt pressure while smacking people as they get off the ground for like 30%.

D1 now makes landing some of her harder run cancel combos easier. Also gives her a bit more corner carry for those who like her corner game. (D1 in the corner...)

B34~sai~run D1~F23~Roll~run under D1, Uppercut
F12, B4~EX Telekick~sai~run D1, F23~Roll
Roll, B34~sai, run D1, B12~Roll
NJP, run D1, F23~Roll, etc etc.

The D1 does less than 1 percent extra, but it makes the timing way easier.
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I have some ideas of using D1 as a starting AA too, but I'm going to do them after the tournament stream of SFIV. Good stuff lol. I found some of those as well.
 
ZeroEffect

ZeroEffect

Noob
theGabStandard said:
I remember someone saying pre patch that D1 was actually a decent anti air for cross up jumps. I'm guessing now it will be a lot better
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Man I want to believe you, but I have no luck at all with D1 for crossovers. It's a good move, but I swear I get stuffed every damn time since it doesn't low profile. I'd much rather U3 or Reverse input EX Roll.
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
....Ok. I'm tired of being quiet.

I'll be straight up with you guys when I say this. As much as we end up sharing tech here, it's only going to cause a roar of crybabies to want it nerfed. I'm more than happy to share tech & stuff that I find, too, but I'm just tired of the characters in the game receiving unnecessary changes. Literally, I've watched characters go from being solid to set ups being nullified in just a few weeks.

It's not even the fact that you're having to play the guessing game at times with characters. It's the fact that when you find something & if people aren't right then & there, they'll do anything to get the character nerfed. And don't even be real legitimate reasons, just because they hate the characters. Scorpion & Sub-Zero are main targets. Mileena will be another target. I guarantee it.

What annoys me even MORE about the whole scenario is that the same people who want to get a character nerfed or their's to be buffed. will tell you to "shut up & adapt" when the damage has been done. Like now, since I've been playing with new stuff with each character, people have been complaining about it. It's honestly getting to where I just want to send PMS to people who normally like talking & sharing tech with me. It's becoming discouraging to share something good only for the crybabies to win on a twitter page or a Facebook page from the developers. The irony. Every community that I've been in have been like this. I get enough of this in the DOA community. SRK just so happens to get their crybabies blown off, but there's a lot of them.

Sorry for the rant, but I had to get it off my chest. I'm going to see what else I can come up with in terms of D1 & her neutral.
 
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Law Hero

Law Hero

There is a head on a pole behind you
There's no one crying about our Empress though, right?

I'm pretty sure everyone loves her, even if they don't wanna admit it.
 
Endding

Endding

You picked a bad time to get lost friend
Mileena is strong right now, feels like a whole new character.

Really rekindling my love for her, not that it was fading

On the nerf bandwagon, we can't really do a great deal we've stayed with her for the buffs so it would be wrong if we didn't stick by her for the nerfs ( which would be totally unwarranted and I believe won't be a problem for us in this game) but still.
 
TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
JDE said:
....Ok. I'm tired of being quiet.

I'll be straight up with you guys when I say this. As much as we end up sharing tech here, it's only going to cause a roar of crybabies to want it nerfed. I'm more than happy to share tech & stuff that I find, too, but I'm just tired of the characters in the game receiving unnecessary changes. Literally, I've watched characters go from being solid to set ups being nullified in just a few weeks.

It's not even the fact that you're having to play the guessing game at times with characters. It's the fact that when you find something & if people aren't right then & there, they'll do anything to get the character nerfed. And don't even be real legitimate reasons, just because they hate the characters. Scorpion & Sub-Zero are main targets. Mileena will be another target. I guarantee it.

What annoys me even MORE about the whole scenario is that the same people who want to get a character nerfed or their's to be buffed. will tell you to "shut up & adapt" when the damage has been done. Like now, since I've been playing with new stuff with each character, people have been complaining about it. It's honestly getting to where I just want to send PMS to people who normally like talking & sharing tech with me. It's becoming discouraging to share something good only for the crybabies to win on a twitter page or a Facebook page from the developers. The irony. Every community that I've been in have been like this. I get enough of this in the DOA community. SRK just so happens to get their crybabies blown off, but there's a lot of them.

Sorry for the rant, but I had to get it off my chest. I'm going to see what else I can come up with in terms of D1 & her neutral.
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Is there anything in particular that people are complaining about the Empress? Because to me the only thing that can be really annoying is that if every single risk you take pays off because she looks op when that happens. Aside from that there is no broken tech/inescapable setups or anything dumb that I'm aware of
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
ZeroEffect said:
Man I want to believe you, but I have no luck at all with D1 for crossovers. It's a good move, but I swear I get stuffed every damn time since it doesn't low profile. I'd much rather U3 or Reverse input EX Roll.
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Use D3 for anti cross up. It also has better recovery and u can do combo like D3, [pause] roll then followups or easier version: D3, D2 =15%
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Did I miss something? Why would people cry about Mileena? Lol.

She is completely fine, she's good but she doesn't have anything amazing. She doesn't need anymore buffs or nerfs.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Also for the D1 conversation... Why don't you guys AA with roll? It works for jump ins, NJP and crossovers, it's amazing how consistent it is. Nobody should be jumping against her, she has one of the best AA's in the game IMO.

Edit: well, it is kinda inconsistent against come characters like Kung Lao, but it's only an issue in like 2 or 3 match ups.
 
Devin Thorn

Devin Thorn

chimp damage
theGabStandard said:
Is there anything in particular that people are complaining about the Empress? Because to me the only thing that can be really annoying is that if every single risk you take pays off because she looks op when that happens. Aside from that there is no broken tech/inescapable setups or anything dumb that I'm aware of
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All of this. She looks bonkers when all the super unsafe stuff works but that's just what she is- a super unsafe character who gets rewarded for the risks she's gotta take. I mean look at Ravenous you gotta make strings pseudo safe with high pounce on block and that's what -8?
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Devin Thorn said:
All of this. She looks bonkers when all the super unsafe stuff works but that's just what she is- a super unsafe character who gets rewarded for the risks she's gotta take. I mean look at Ravenous you gotta make strings pseudo safe with high pounce on block and that's what -8?
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-6. It's completely safe.
 
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