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Video/Tutorial - Takeda How to Deal with Takeda f12 2+4 cancel pressure.

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
lol black felow is still salty about how everyday in INJ he would ask for games from my flash and i would free him up everyday and he would sit there and bitch about how bad the martian flash MU was. this is how i work @dribirut if i want to call out someone i will, you only need to go back to INJ to see this. if i thought for one second that someone was scrubby and got away with murder i would have pointed it out and tried to blow up everyone involved. but that was far from the case. i'm not some pussy bitch like you, i say shit to people's faces and i admit when i'm wrong, i told @RedRaptor10 after he was downplaying his abilities saying he made top 16 winners because no one knew the MU that you need to be good no matter what the circumstances are, and he showed me hella shit that i overlooked with takeda that weekend, and most of all 16 bit pointed out that a person that isn't bitching about takeda but instead making him work made top 8. i'm not some ignorant fuck like you black felow i realize what my mistake was, i'm what you kids would call a grown fucking man.

But now that you made it apparent how bitch made you really are black felow if you EVER decided to get out from behind your keyboard and show up to a major (i'm going to ever single one) i challenge you to a FT7 $200 MM, winner keeps character and variation, loser can choose character and random stage. if you can't do that much than i can just free you up for any amount of money idgaf. please reply with what tournament you are attending and if not then STFU and get out of this thread.
I admire the challenge.

But i don't think he'll do it.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
I tried doing f122+4 (first hit) EX kunai but I always get hit out of it before the EX kunais blow up armor. Are there specific characters that this works on? I noticed that his options are different for each character. For Raiden and Scorpion EX Tornado Strike beats all their options, and for Kung Jin you have to do a delayed EX teleport.
So you are right that just doing EX Kunai will get blown up by most armor. But then I tested what happens if you hold the kunai and basically they hit you with the armor move and then the kunai hits them out lol. Not viable at all but thought it was funny. You can still blow up armor with EX Flurry.
 

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
Spreading misinformation about something is not a lie unless he himself knows anything he says is factually inaccurate, and I dont think anyone here would argue that @Zyphox actually thinks that what he says is just to stirr shit.

Also redraptor placing in a tournament being proof that Takeda is a good character is the biggest fucking bill ever, the game is a bit over a month old, lets not jump the gun here. (this is not to say that Takeda isnt a great character or not, its just the idea that this tournament should be the final nail in the coffin whether Takeda is good or not is preposturous.)
No I agree we can all be wrong about how good a character may or may not be.

And I agree one tournament doesn't prove anything on how good a character is. But I find it hypocritical for you to criticize me for waiving the 'Takeda Lives Matter' sign when Zyphox was the one wrongfully shooting him in the first place.

I'm not the one who made a whole thread saying Takeda wasn't viable 3 weeks into the game's life. So if you are gonna criticize me for saying Takeda might actually be fine after Combo Breaker, then you have to criticize Zyphox even more for saying he wasn't good to begin with. If anyone jumped the gun, it was him.

I'm simply trying to right a wrong.
 

kivatt

Kono Dio Da
This went very downhill very fast.

Thanks for the tech though. I all but dropped Takeda, because Scorpion was a lot easier for me to use.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
Um, don't you yourself know the matchup? You act and sound like you do. But didn't Red Raptor play you in a long set in casuals at Combo Breaker and you couldn't get a game?

The hate is strong with this one.
Dood Really? Did you even read and watch the whole clip?

I've got nothing but respect for you and your high level knowledge but this doesn't even sound like its uou tbh.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
No I agree we can all be wrong about how good a character may or may not be.

And I agree one tournament doesn't prove anything on how good a character is. But I find it hypocritical for you to criticize me for waiving the 'Takeda Lives Matter' sign when Zyphox was the one wrongfully shooting him in the first place.

I'm not the one who made a whole thread saying Takeda wasn't viable 3 weeks into the game's life. So if you are gonna criticize me for saying Takeda might actually be fine after Combo Breaker, then you have to criticize Zyphox even more for saying he wasn't good to begin with. If anyone jumped the gun, it was him.

I'm simply trying to right a wrong.
you know i wasn't the only one who did this though? i was just the one of the more notable of people saying my opinion about my main character. i'm not nearly as bad as pig is with kenshi though :p
 

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
you know i wasn't the only one who did this though? i was just the one of the more notable of people saying my opinion about my main character. i'm not nearly as bad as pig is with kenshi though :p
I know and I'm not trying to single you out. If someone placed top 8 with Kenshi at CB, then Pig made a thread about how to beat that person you can bet my reaction would be the same. Although I probably wouldn't have been quite as dickish if that person placing wasn't from STL. I'll admit that.
 

Hini

Batomancer
I'm not the one who made a whole thread saying Takeda wasn't viable 3 weeks into the game's life. So if you are gonna criticize me for saying Takeda might actually be fine after Combo Breaker, then you have to criticize Zyphox even more for saying he wasn't good to begin with. If anyone jumped the gun, it was him.
Oh I wasnt trying to criticize you specifically for jumping the gun, I'm sorry it came out that way, it was aimed at everyone who is taking tournament placing in general as one of the main arguments behind wether a character is good or not.

In general I think people stating their opinion (early or late in a games life) is always good, people shouldnt be afraid of stating their opinions as long they and everyone else keeps an open mind, if they do that only good things can come from discussion.
 

Poser Paul

#1 Unbreakable
certain strings in ronin are really + on block, on the flip side takeda is slow and has a hard time keeping pressure in that variation IF they know the MU. i feel like ronin is secretly really go, we just need to find a way to do safe pressure and mix it up a bit.
If you play a few matches with señor abram (that takeda player you saw on ESL last week) he will show you some ronin gameplay and tech. He's really good with ronin, I'm just suggestion you should though, not trying to force it out there
 

aieches

#freeHomelee2016
@Zyphox sorry if I missed it but what other stuff did you and raptor go over. In usually reading this thread on my phone so I may have missed something. Thanks.
 

Wrath0594

Steam profile: 76561198102032134
Does this have anything to do with what you're talking about, Zyphox? About the gaps in the string and what not.
Something related to this- in Ronin if you set a blade beforehand, ex blade call has armor. So with some prep, you can use f1 2+4 xx ex blade call for an option to punish armored reversals that's much safer at -5, but still yields a full combo. Can do njp, 44 xx df1 for 29% afterwards.
 
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Carmine

PSN: CaptCarmine
I'm a newer player, and I'm starting to get Takeda's combos down pretty well, but what inputs do you do for the Tele cancel, is it just a run cancel once you input the tele?
And are either @Zyphox or @RedRaptor10 planning on putting up a guide with the best pressure strings, mindset they use when playing takeda, becuase I thought he was mostly a mid range punish character, but red raptors pressure in combo breaker was awesome
 
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FiercePhil56

Up-playing loyalist
@Zyphox
Video shows good tech and some options but comes off as biased. It's like what you are saying is the end all be all of the situation.

It's pretty tough to react to f1 2+4 by duck blocking amongst other attacks. No one is perfect.

Delaying the teleport works, and punishes some attempts

The hurricane kick thing does work there. You got hit because the sub zero bot auto corrected as a human probably wouldn't, plus that's one of three distances. The spear is punishable but gives them a reason not to try it.

Its been said: meter is not limitless in this game where sub gets 11% damage for armoring.

I just get the feeling the only reason for this is to get noticed so the character gets buffed. I kinda feel like that's all anyone does on this site anymore. or does the opposite and tries to get something nerfed. Can we stop trying to be developers and become players?
 
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I don't see how Zyphox can possibly be getting blown up here. Someone got top 8 with Takeda using strings that are not being countered correctly and Zyphox is willing to expose to the community the exploit, even though that's gonna cripple his main in the short run. That's definitely admirable.

Also, starting this discussion now is going to help bring solvency to Takeda, rather than this string gap finally becoming common knowledge at evo 2017. I wish people would do this more often.
 

FiercePhil56

Up-playing loyalist
It's because he can't just make a video about tech, it has to all about his personall opinions and feelings which make the video very biased. Not everyone agrees this ruins the character. I'm a Takeda main and I've known about this for many weeks
 
He didn't say it ruins the character, he pointed out that it can't be exploited the way it was at combo breaker and the way it continues to be exploited. Alot of people know Takeda had holes but this is just spreading more awareness to those who didn't know or those who didn't know how to exploit them. He literally says in the video this doesn't mean that he's low tier.
 

FiercePhil56

Up-playing loyalist
You're right. That part is good. After that part he basically says that there is nothing you can do/ no option against some characters. This is simply not true and he hasn't explored all the options including counter armor. This is the part that bothers me. You gotta test further before saying that kind of stuff. I hope what I've said is constructive for future videos.

try f 12 2+4 ex punches BOOM F*&$% YOUR SLIDE SUBZERO!

Yeah so you can complete the string into Ex punches and it destroys subs attempt to armor through the hole. Try it. pretty cool
 
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ryublaze

Noob
So I was wrong and there are actually some characters who can backdash f122+4 midscreen and get a meterless punish. Mainly fast advancing specials, Sub-Zero can Slide, Scorpion can Takedown, etc. Doesn't mean Takeda has no options cuz he can punish backdash too with EX Kunais. Man the metagame behind his pressure is so cool...