This. I have ideas about other characters, both characters that I do and don't play, but I wanted to only post about my main, the character that I have the most experience with, because I knew people would just shit on the thread otherwise(even though they decided to anyway) complaining that the nerfs are too absurd. All of the tweaks I suggested wouldn't even take him out of S tier probably, but look at how many Raidens are in here crying regardless.
Thank you for being one more voice of reason. There is hope for TYM yet.
Real world evidence.
Super armor on wakeup would automatically kill all armor breaking moves, and variations that depend on that as primary threat would lose the point.
I also think OS is a bug and it needs to be removed for all characters.
I think OS should stay it makes the game more interesting .. But they should make Raidens B2 uncancelable .
Didn't know that about Scorpion .. Thanks for the info... Time to go in there on him
There's actually no reason NOT to cancel your blocked strings into shocker for less negative frames, meter build, and more pushback. But it's always my go to especially after 214 on block. Yeah it adds more negative frames, but gives more push back. I would be perfectly fine with nerfing thunder god's meter build In general. He needs meter the least in TG as opposed to his other variations. And it's much more reasonable than making shocker completely unsafe. You still get a free poke afterwards. Either way it's your turn. Do something.First part is just false. Electrocute jails when you OS it from B2; you cannot duck and get a free punish. Serious question: when do you ever use Electrocute on block? Raiden doesn't have a single string that you can't hit confirm into from. You don't need to use it if they block. Right now, if you're using Raiden at the highest level, the only time your opponent would block an Electrocute is when you OS it off of B2, otherwise you're just being lazy and not hit confirming. Sure it can be ducked in the neutral or on wake up, but I'm sorry if this would ruin your strategy of using it raw during the neutral game or waking up without armor.
Block ex shocker and full punish. It's really that easy. Raiden uses a bar of meter and gets full combo'd. And you can already njp his ex-shocker. People do it to me constantly. Who are you playing against? Ex vb is 0 on block by the way. Not sure where you're getting that it's advantage on block. And it'ss not intended as solely an anti air. Vb is. Ex vb hits as a high, unlike regular vb which is a clear indicator of intent. Ex vb being 0 in block isn't that big of a deal. It leads to no damage mid screen but gives you a corner carry, sure. Corner carry for a bar of meter? Ok. In the corner it can give a standing reset on hit. It's a high and costs a bar of meter. I fail to see how it's broken and needs nerfs. You say raiden is never short on meter but if you're throwing out as many ex shockers and ex vb to use these tools enough to be considered OP enough to require nerfs, I'm not sure how you ever have meter. I say nerf raiden's meter build on the charge strings a bit.
Your post is called reasonable nerfs. I'm saying some of them are unreasonable. I've mained raiden since day 1 and of course I know he's good. I certainly don't think that if he is number 1, it's not by a long shot by any means. Raiden can still be number 1 without being absolutely absurd. I don't know who you're playing against but I get full combo'd for doing ex shocker quite a bit. People i play against also know that ex vb is a high And i get whiff punished for it, or at best they get pressure. And I never have enough meter to be throwing out ex vb after every block string. Yeah all of these things would be OP if you didn't block.
Literally nobody is crying. You're trying to come in and claim nerf cop because you main raiden. So do I. You want to nerf a move that's full punishable on block because the people you're playing against aren't blocking and punishing it. For some reason you think it can't be NJP punished when it happens all the time. You think ex vb needs to be nerfed with part of your reasoning being that it's advantage on block when it's not.
Nah. You can't say OS is only fine when it works for you. All OS should be removed imo. Don't blast a special move into the ground because of OSs that shouldn't be there in the first place.
I say the OS is fine when it doesn't make things broken ...Thats all ..
This! I main Raiden and if I do B2 and it's blocked, you should be getting max punishes instead of just -7. Nobody should have an OS. If you guess wrong, you guess wrong. OS are from 09ers and SF4. It's a fighting game, if you guess wrong, you pay for it, let's not over complicate it
Pretty sure there have been OSs before 09 . At least i read that some where
They are running rampant in nearly every game ever since SF4. People are making fighting games easier and easier and that really sucks
Im pretty sure they are just more well know now because of the internet... OSs arent always easy and beneficial in all situations too ... I guess the main one in this game is just pretty black and white though
Out of curiosity, how?
Most games are actively trying to patch them out as they are generally considered bad design. Just because they exist, doesn't mean they should be allowed to exist if possible. Think of them like a software bug (because that in a sense is exactly what they are). Yes, they will always exist. Yes the developers have (or should have) an obligation to stamp them out.
Just use Displacer......?Just give me raiden's old TP back fuck everything thundergod has just give it back please
You mistake me I said old TP
