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Tech - Jason Voorhees The Power of back 1 tight squeeze

You: "I'm gonna test this out for like 30 seconds." Realizes only takeda, ferra torr, quan chi, and kung jin can neutral jump punch b1 dbf2: "DERP! This doesn't work! Even though this works on 20 other characters. Doh!"
Actually its common sense to test things like that when nrs creates grapplers. There is a difference between guaranteed, which is what you're stating. Either way I'm stepping out of this, so enjoy when you find out there are actually options against this, and I have showed them to 90% of the people I've played.
 

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
I'm referring to the op, not once did I mention you @Hidan. And I'm not going to waste time recording cast options I've already gone through.
ok, don't, but loose the negativity.

And yes OP isn't 100% accurate, but we grabbed some things from there nice and easy and discussed them. We didn't agree that b1 is the best, just that it has its moments.
I won't blame @Kinetic Balding1 for being enthusiastic about it. We try to lift Jason's variations to bigger heights.

I'm sure you will find stuff even for other ticks if you read the whole thread. It's 2 pages

Edit: read only 1st page
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
You: "I'm gonna test this out for like 30 seconds." Realizes only takeda, ferra torr, quan chi, and kung jin can neutral jump punch b1 dbf2: "DERP! This doesn't work! Even though this works on 20 other characters. Doh!"
Edit: I meant this as a reply to @BiPolarExxpress

Everyone can either nj to avoid and punish the command grab, or neutral duck (I think), or backdash. Nobody ever said it was guaranteed. I agree with what you said about armoring out of b1 on wakeup and generally the OP is pretty misleading.

We have made progress since the OP though...
 
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Kinetic Balding1

Day 1 Phenomenal Cyborg
Actually its common sense to test things like that when nrs creates grapplers. There is a difference between guaranteed, which is what you're stating. Either way I'm stepping out of this, so enjoy when you find out there are actually options against this, and I have showed them to 90% of the people I've played.
Read the op. Many characters can armor through it and punish him. Thats a option.
 

PANDEMlC

El Psy Congroo
I think everyone's aware b1 can whiff and that the tick grabs aren't guaranteed. Way to make an issue where there is none.
 

Kinetic Balding1

Day 1 Phenomenal Cyborg
Everyone can either nj to avoid and punish the command grab, or neutral duck (I think), or backdash. Nobody ever said it was guaranteed. I agree with what you said about armoring out of b1 on wakeup and generally the OP is pretty misleading.

We have made progress since the OP though...
njps like ferra torr's, kung jin, and takeda can easily njp it, but other characters with small hitbox njps will get hit by a d2 before they can njp. For a character with that type of njp to hit jason, they would have to jump and be lower to ground, which takes more time. I'm not saying there are no options against this. There are definitly options out of this like armoring. Most of the cast can armor through it.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
njps like ferra torr's, kung jin, and takeda can easily njp it, but other characters with small hitbox njps will get hit by a d2 before they can njp. For a character with that type of njp to hit jason, they would have to jump and be lower to ground, which takes more time. I'm not saying there are no options against this. There are definitly options out of this like armoring. Most of the cast can armor through it.
Like I said, if they can't njp, they can neutral duck and punish or walk back a half step and punish. There are ways for every character I believe. Although, I doubt people will be able to do this on reaction, it's more of a read - and a risky one at that.
 

Kinetic Balding1

Day 1 Phenomenal Cyborg
Like I said, if they can't njp, they can neutral duck and punish or walk back a half step and punish. There are ways for every character I believe. Although, I doubt people will be able to do this on reaction, it's more of a read - and a risky one at that.
This is where things get interesting, b122 will beat out the walking back and neutral duck, or you could do b1 df1.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
Your thread is a good quick reference for Jason's tick throws. It should probably be stickied, like a combo thread would. This thread is more of an in depth discussion focused on setting up B1~TS and has evolved into jailing into tick throws. Both are needed, imo. Sometimes, new threads incite new ideas. Cheers!
It's not my thread, I'm just pointing out that a thread dedicated for tick throws and relation to Jasons tick throws exists.

Also this thread was made to explain new uses for b1 dbf2, which was just discovered as a tick throw, but no one went further then that with it.
Cool. But you could have posted it in the other thread so everything is together. That's all I'm saying. But it's done now so, whatever, let it be.

well I don't see them so energetic over there. You cared to see what this was about and you found interesting what we've said here, so contribute... or link this thread to the other.

As I said, join or fuse... after your drink
There wouldn't be a need to "fuse" the threads if this discovery was posted in the original tick throw thread. You have no power over me, so your options mean nothing to me but my drink is taaaasty mmm :) Also, it's not my thread dude: You link it lol
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
It's not my thread, I'm just pointing out that a thread dedicated for tick throws and relation to Jasons tick throws exists.


Cool. But you could have posted it in the other thread so everything is together. That's all I'm saying. But it's done now so, whatever, let it be.


There wouldn't be a need to "fuse" the threads if this discovery was posted in the original tick throw thread. You have no power over me, so your options mean nothing to me but my drink is taaaasty mmm :) Also, it's not my thread dude: You link it lol
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Didn't read the whole thread so it may have already been mentioned, but if you block a b1 from Jason and he goes into Tight Squeeze, you can just let go of block after the b1 and full combo punish, as the Tight Squeeze will whiff. And you can let go of block late enough to where you won't get hit if Jason completes the string b122.
 

PANDEMlC

El Psy Congroo
Didn't read the whole thread so it may have already been mentioned, but if you block a b1 from Jason and he goes into Tight Squeeze, you can just let go of block after the b1 and full combo punish, as the Tight Squeeze will whiff. And you can let go of block late enough to where you won't get hit if Jason completes the string b122.
So you're saying it's possible to opt out of both with the right timing of releasing and holding block? Like a pseudo option select with block timing.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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So you're saying it's possible to opt out of both with the right timing of releasing and holding block? Like a pseudo option select with block timing.
You can quickly let go of block and press it again and let go again and have time to punish if he goes for tight squeeze. If he goes for b122, if done right you can let go of block the same way and block again. Like I said though, you have to be quick with it, or you'll get hit by the 22 part of b122.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
Didn't read the whole thread so it may have already been mentioned, but if you block a b1 from Jason and he goes into Tight Squeeze, you can just let go of block after the b1 and full combo punish, as the Tight Squeeze will whiff. And you can let go of block late enough to where you won't get hit if Jason completes the string b122.
You're right about just letting go of block and punishing, but that's where b1~choke comes into play.
 

Juggs

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You're right about just letting go of block and punishing, but that's where b1~choke comes into play.
True, but then if you read that you can block and punish. So it's not a counter to everything, but it's a counter to b1~tight squeeze.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
True, but then if you read that you can block and punish. So it's not a counter to everything, but it's a counter to b1~tight squeeze.
It sure is. This releasing block thing doesn't work on B2~Tight Squeeze, 23~Tight Squeeze, or F2~Tight Squeeze though. You'll have to backdash, jump or armor out of those. It does work on 1~Tight Squeeze as well though.
 

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
There wouldn't be a need to "fuse" the threads if this discovery was posted in the original tick throw thread. You have no power over me, so your options mean nothing to me but my drink is taaaasty mmm :) Also, it's not my thread dude: You link it lol
YOU linked the thread, I responded by saying that if you care do something more. YOU brought more ppl here, so I don't know about this "you have no power over me" (except if you are joking).
It isn't my thread either, but I stood up for it since I found a person @Rip Torn willing to take opinions into account and provide more info. I actually learned things from this thread while any other jason thread is filled with random info.

but nvm it's my fault for even responding in the first place when you posted the link.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
YOU linked the thread, I responded by saying that if you care do something more. YOU brought more ppl here, so I don't know about this "you have no power over me" (except if you are joking).
It isn't my thread either, but I stood up for it since I found a person @Rip Torn willing to take opinions into account and provide more info. I actually learned things from this thread while any other jason thread is filled with random info.

but nvm it's my fault for even responding in the first place when you posted the link.
Jesus man, chill out. Chill. Out. It's TYM, don't get frustrated hahaha. You're a strange, confused man. Or woman. I dno. You're clean.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
So how does this do against grab immune special reversals?
My guess is they will get beat out on startup unless you use armor anyway. I tested a few and only Kitana's Rising Fan was able to beat it out due to the startup having low profile properties. Do you have any other grab immune moves in mind?
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
My guess is they will get beat out on startup unless you use armor anyway. I tested a few and only Kitana's Rising Fan was able to beat it out due to the startup having low profile properties. Do you have any other grab immune moves in mind?
Torr's charge in Lackey.
 

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
Jesus man, chill out. Chill. Out. It's TYM, don't get frustrated hahaha. You're a strange, confused man. Or woman. I dno. You're clean.
If I want to chill, I will.
I could be a fockin alien for all you know, so take your psychological bullshit somewhere else if you don't want to talk about Jason
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
If I want to chill, I will.
I could be a fockin alien for all you know, so take your psychological bullshit somewhere else if you don't want to talk about Jason
I'm cool with aliens and all... But a fockin alien!? Nah man. No way. I do want to talk about Jason. But you keep not talking about Jason to me so I can't. This is your fault, y'know.