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General/Other - Scorpion The Current Scorpion problems in general

B2 scales hard and it isn't the most reliable normal in the game... however. Guys remember back in Injustice, Bane's F1!?!? It was poop. Scrap that from the moves list Edward Boon. That's not to say that Scorpion's other two sets are bad... its just not enough to warrant a complaint. As far as not having a lot of Mids, at least he can throw stuff out there that's under 10frames unlike his Shirai Ryu brethren.

As far as the quest for mids go, standing 1 becomming mid I wouldn't have too much of a problem with, but a lot of characters WISH they got half of what Scorpion has right now in terms of normals, combos, meter gain, varied play, damage, vortexes, oki, the ability to hit you from anywhere on screen etc. Just saying these issues seem very... insignificant in the grand scheme of the game as we know it.

Walk speed, he's not the slowest... not even close and he has a decent run. Dont think people are going to see eye to spear with you on this one.
 

GuerillaTactix

#bufftakeda
B2 scales hard and it isn't the most reliable normal in the game... however. Guys remember back in Injustice, Bane's F1!?!? It was poop. Scrap that from the moves list Edward Boon. That's not to say that Scorpion's other two sets are bad... its just not enough to warrant a complaint. As far as not having a lot of Mids, at least he can throw stuff out there that's under 10frames unlike his Shirai Ryu brethren.

As far as the quest for mids go, standing 1 becomming mid I wouldn't have too much of a problem with, but a lot of characters WISH they got half of what Scorpion has right now in terms of normals, combos, meter gain, varied play, damage, vortexes, oki, the ability to hit you from anywhere on screen etc. Just saying these issues seem very... insignificant in the grand scheme of the game as we know it.

Walk speed, he's not the slowest... not even close and he has a decent run. Dont think people are going to see eye to spear with you on this one.
Eye to spear. lol! Cus that happens when I play scorpion.. Alot.. :(
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
Ninjutsu and Inferno are GOOD. Hellfire is not just good, it is nearly broken and should probably get patched soon.

More than 50% for one bar into vortex, semi block infinite, absurd chip damage...lol c'mon man.
Can we nerf Jax rocket cancels next? His pressure is much scarier than Scorpions o.o
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
Im glad this what put. People always send hatemail over Hellfire. And i dont even use the FBCs that well lol.
Scorpion is no God in this game, but he is amazing finally. And i am happy with this.
Funny enough. I dont even face that many Scorpions. I may have played more Jax, Sonyas, Ermacs and Erron Blacks than Scorpion. Not even kidding.
 
I think a safe mid would be ok! And to that fella talking about jump kick and cross up jump kick! Try blocking and a well timed jump kick of your own! Lol
Every time I fight a scorpion I know air to air must be switched up...
 

JTB123

>>R2 - BF4 = Unblockable.
TLDR version: Scorpion is fine, absolutely fine, better than fine in fact, top 10 lock at this stage in the game and unless DLC are incredibly powerful I see him staying that way. Does he have problems?

Sure, but every character should have problems, I want the satisfaction of putting in work to pay off. Not to walk into a fight carrying an assault rifle while my opponent has one leg, is blind and holding a wet stick.

Long version:

I must admit Eddy I'm surprised by this post, Scorpion is extremely strong in all aspects of the game right now and because of that has one of the most important aspects for competitive play in that I really don't see anyone blowing him up. There was a reason we always saw Doomsdays in top 8, it wasn't because he was the best, it was because the best didn't body him, he can handle them. That is how I see Scorpion.

B2:

This move sucks, it just does, it's slow, shit range, recovers badly and scales way too much. Yes this means jump ins are harder to deal with but Scorp has a good D2. It's not a full combo but it's 14% and keeps them out, I'll glady take that over nothing.

Lacks Mids:

While this is true, I find B12 more than sufficient. Checks people often enough, good for punishers where S1 and S2 might whiff, B121 is only -1 and leaves you at prime D4 range. A lot of "pressure" can be full combo'd by B12 - spear on a read or checked with B121 to keep him safe.

B121 is his only decent mid string, but I would argue it's the only one he needs. It does what it needs to do.

Walk Speed:

While I agree, I feel non yolo teleports need to be mastered in order to make up for that. His teleport is extremely fast and can blow up bad offense. I have started using this more recently and it's paying off. If you can get someone afraid to play their mid to long range game due to fear of teleport it opens up you going in.

S1 being a mid:

Cannot agree with this man, if his S1 was mid he would be so much more threatening. It's range isn't anything to be sniffed at either.

I too think Hellfire is his best variation, that said I feel people are too quick to put Inferno in the trash. Inferno is not; by any stretch a bad variation. Low minion is devastating for characters that won't to keep you out or zone full screen, mid and OH minion aren't fantastic but give him very powerful combos and decent oki game when utilised with B121 if you don't want to keep your opponent next to you for whatever reason.

In the long run I foresee Hellfire being his staple and Inferno and Ninjutsu for specific match ups which is the entire point of the system in the first place.

Ninjutsu, eh, maybe this one isn't that great but seriously we have Inferno and Hellfire. Two extremely good variations where some characters only have one and between the two make Scorpion incredibly well rounded.

guys, it is ok for a character to have an issue.
Edit: lol you beat me to it...
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Edit: lol you beat me to it...
Thanks for the wakeup call i think i was in need of it.
Still i don't think inferno is that good, i just can't see it, maybe is because i play Scorpion myself, but i don't see that variation be as threatening, i think i've destroyed the last person who used against me in the last tournament, and it was the fastest match of the event if i recall it correct.

Ninjutsu B2 is a major part of his game, the damage protetion doesn't even need to be removed, the move itself just needed to do more damage 2% more and i think it would be fine.
 
Scorpion's biggest problem universally is dealing with pressure on his wakeup.

His only wakeup that doesn't get beat out easily is EX Takedown, and that move sucks.

His back dash is also unreliable in oki situations, so most of the time delayed get up is your best option.

Same issue from MK9 except for the fact that his pokes are waaaaayyyyyy better!
 

Endeavor

I'll live a villain, before I die a hero.
I am learning Scorpion for one reason, dem FBCs are fucking redic. Eddy, your my mang, but lol no. And I'm saying this as Grandmaster Subzero. Ill tell you till the day I die more people in the community need to training mode instead of cry. Sub was fine the way he was but people cried and he got nerfed. I was annoyed especially when I see the better players going fucking nuts with Characters with equally retarded crap that is just as easy if not more to get into but Sub is the fucking problem. But I digress. You will not as long as Sub stays the way his is hear me and or any other reasonable sub main say, "My character has" insert useless normal, or this "issue" here. Sub in this game is fucking stupid in the corner which is fine cause some characters are just as stupid in the corner and mid screen. I have been playing scrop for a week now so far be it from me to tell you the problems of your character since I only recently picked him up, but I will tell you, I have never once worried about being low profiled, because I can jump around like a dumbass and every time I get blocked its my time to shine cause you are at my mix up's mercy. No one in there right mind is going to just refuse to block high against scorpion as he is now because if they do they are going to get over-headed into the ground and lose 41% or more into a vortex. Not once have I ever worried about my opponent realizing that most of my offense is mostly consisting of highs becasue I'm sure off a blocked jump in 214 jails and if it doesn't I have never seen a smart player not block it, and I know once they block 214~fbc then next 214 jails. That is training mode approved. And your able to get up to 2 FBC in a row before it can be armored out of, and then you end your block string in EX fireball which is +8 allowing your stamina to come back and then do it all over again so much so that when its all said and done and I do this to people I see this in my head when they block....

And this when they get hit cause they tried to jump out, poke out, or armor out...

And why would I play footies, who is crazy enough to try and anti-air me? J3 teleport the god!!!! #Thank you based-god Boon!!!! And even still if I want, I can STILL play footies. I have the option to do cause the character has very fast normals in this game.
Mind you I say all of this with the best intentions cause as I stated earlier I also play GM sub and all things considered he is pretty dumb but he also has his flaws, do I think those flaw should be fixed? Fuck no, I have to be even dumber than LowTierGod to think that, especially when I get a character like Cassie Cage or Sonya, both of whom are considered top 5 and top 10 respectively right now into the corner and they just fucking die. All in all this thread is a bit silly considering what the character can do. @Tom Brady even went so far as to say if you pm him, he will tell you how to beat Sub and people still cried about him. People are going to cry but the character is still really good and in spite of the issues he has he needs no small buff of any kind. Ninjustsu Might be his weakest variation, just like IMO as long as GM is the way it is, there is NO reason to play Cryo, or Unbreakable. You have two other variations that more than make up for this, one that even grants you a damn near full screen 50/50.
 
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All this time I had a grudge against scorpions due to his ease of use, high damage, and numerous good tools, but today you've opened my eyes to his horrid B2. That B2 is definitely a huge hindrance compared to the rest of his tools. You know what? After reading the valid points you gave, I finally found the courage I needed to drag this razor straight across my wrist. Thank you
 

Vagrant

Noob
Sorry Eddy. I appreciate all you contribute but this thread is not your finest work.

Too many other characters in this game need way more help then scorp does. Ninj is limited and standard b2 is useless but both Ninj and Inferno variations can still compete.

Hellfire to me is top 5. Hard to make a thread about scorps problems when you have that kind of potential firepower.
 

FinalBoss_FGC

Day -4MONTHS Dual Jin main
If you can react to anything with a mb tele that combos into a vortex then you don't need any of these.

Also if you can combo anything into tele then you don't need any of these.
 

D4G

Win At All Cost
Also guys trying to armor through J.3 on scorpions landing doesn't work. Its always inputed as an option select so that if Jump 3 connects, teleport will come out. Since scorpion is technically hitting you he just ends up on the other side and laughs as he co!box you to death.

Best bet is to just block, guess the 50/50.... and never jump.

Anyway what were we talking about? Buffing Scorp was it? :DOGE