Menu
By:
Filters
What's new

Your opinion on the new special cancel OS

Should the option select be in the game?

  • Total voters
    147
  • Poll closed .
U

Ugodimak

Noob
Forgive my nooby scrubiness, but don't you still have to hit-confirm the OS? I thought I heard something like that on CDjr's stream.
 
Smarrgasm

Smarrgasm

What's a Smarrgasm?
Paulo has said nothing about removing the special cancel OS's from what I have heard.

The 1+2+3 thing is a shortcut that is being removed for different reasons.

These type of OS's (the special cancel ones) existed in the other NRS games they just werent as prominent because it was hard to find them due to limited training mode (Mk9) and they werent really that useful in Injustice because the game revolved around other mechanics being much stronger.

I agree that it takes the risk out of offense but I honestly dont even know if they can change it if they wanted to. It seems embedded into how the games block stun works.
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Noob
AK Smarrgasm said:
Paulo has said nothing about removing the special cancel OS's from what I have heard.

The 1+2+3 thing is a shortcut that is being removed for different reasons.

These type of OS's (the special cancel ones) existed in the other NRS games they just werent as prominent because it was hard to find them due to limited training mode (Mk9) and they werent really that useful in Injustice because the game revolved around other mechanics being much stronger.

I agree that it takes the risk out of offense but I honestly dont even know if they can change it if they wanted to. It seems embedded into how the games block stun works.
Click to expand...
That is what I am scared of. What if it can't be removed and it turns out to have a really bad unfluence for the game
 
chemist4hire

chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
Are so many people opposed to hit confirming that they want this removed (the special cancel os)? That is what these option selects allow you to do. If your string hits let the special come out, if it doesnt hit, tap forward and wipe the special from the buffer window so you don't have to commit to it. Why is that a bad thing?
 
sling1414

sling1414

Noob
I really don't get this, sry is I sounds like a scrub but isn't this in almost every fighter ever?

Wasn't this in mk9 and injustice??
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Noob
chemist4hire said:
Are so many people opposed to hit confirming that they want this removed? That is what these option selects allow you to do. If your string hits let the special come out, if it doesnt hit, tap forward and wipe the special from the buffer window so you don't have to commit to it. Why is that a bad thing?
Click to expand...
IThat has been made clear in the OP
 
coolwhip

coolwhip

Noob
xInfra Deadx said:
Paulo has said a couple of times that they will be removing these from the game.
Click to expand...
He was talking about the 1+2+3 MB option selects, not the one this thread refers to.

There have been no mentions of removing the OS this thread is talking about other than Tom Brady making up that they'll be removed in his efforts to protect Sub Zero.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
chemist4hire said:
Are so many people opposed to hit confirming that they want this removed (the special cancel os)? That is what these option selects allow you to do. If your string hits let the special come out, if it doesnt hit, tap forward and wipe the special from the buffer window so you don't have to commit to it. Why is that a bad thing?
Click to expand...
Because it gets rid of the little risk reward there is in the game.

For example Raiden has a 50/50 in the corner. The low is safe, but the overhead is -70 on block(which is a little ridiculous to be fair). With the OS the 50/50 is now safe, because if the overhead is blocked it cancels into shocker instead.

OS are basically being able to force the game to make correct decisions for you. You SHOULD have to commit to certain strings that are unsafe and get punished if you make the wrong read. Otherwise what is the point of making them unsafe in the first place?
 
ForeverKing

ForeverKing

Patreon.com/MK_ForeverKing
I don't like the option selects that make people not even have to guess or commit, they just input the option select on their controller and depending on whether your opponent blocks or doesn't block your character performs a different action.

It's really dumb to be honest. It makes more safe 50/50's lol. In my opinion they should be removed
 
Smarrgasm

Smarrgasm

What's a Smarrgasm?
I understand that people are concerned but I honestly dont think it will kill the game or anything that drastic. I get that just about everyone would want it removed because it does not reward smart play or guessing right in a game where that is a necessity.

This OS helps some characters in the bottom get better but i still believe it benefits the top tier the most which is also unfortunate. Its just something that people will get used to over time and adapt to.
 
chemist4hire

chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
Laguna Loire said:
IThat has been made clear in the OP
Click to expand...
I am talking about the special cancel options select, to be clear. the one that clears a special from the buffer by adding a directional input. NOT THE ONE THAT LETS YOU CANCEL A SPECIAL INTO A STRING. Though I guess they are intertwined.

Yeah but that explanation is dependent on your view that "string/ normals were not meant to be safe". Most NRS games have a multitude of strings that are unsafe. Those strings were always made safe by cancelling into a special that left you safe, by either leaving you in plus frames or provided enough pushback that you were put out of range of punishes. If the special did not allow for this, you did not use this special in a starter string. If no specials allowed for this you were forced to use the one or two strings that left you safe on block. This had the effect of limiting your offensive tools, and made characters very one dimensional. All this option select allows you to do, is hit confirm into those unsafe specials using safe strings. Which is what every non NRS fighter out there allows you to do. If you start off with an unsafe string, and use this option select, you are still unsafe. This lets you hit confirm into specials instead of blindly committing to them due to the dial a string combo system. Which then opens up the characters to be used in a variety of ways.

I see people here are talking about the other option select that cancels a special into a string. That one is dumb.
 
Last edited:
Reactions: SGX
xInfra Deadx

xInfra Deadx

Gimmick stolen by Jordan Peele
coolwhip said:
He was talking about the 1+2+3 MB option selects, not the one this thread refers to.

There have been no mentions of removing the OS this thread is talking about other than Tom Brady making up that they'll be removed in his efforts to protect Sub Zero.
Click to expand...
Ohh okay. I still can't wrap my head around all this OS talk...
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Noob
chemist4hire said:
I am talking about the special cancel options select, to be clear. the one that clears a special from the buffer by adding a directional input. NOT THE ONE THAT LETS YOU CANCEL A SPECIAL INTO A STRING. Though I guess they are intertwined.

Yeah but that explanation is dependent on your view that "string/ normals were not meant to be safe". Most NRS games have a multitude of strings that are unsafe. Those strings were always made safe by cancelling into a special that left you safe, by either leaving you in plus frames or provided enough pushback that you were put out of range of punishes. If the special did not allow for this, you did not use this special in a starter string. If no specials allowed for this you were forced to use the one or two strings that left you safe on block. This had the effect of limiting your offensive tools, and made characters very one dimensional. All this option select allows you to do, is hit confirm into those unsafe specials using safe strings. Which is what every non NRS fighter out there allows you to do. If you start off with an unsafe string, and use this option select, you are still unsafe. This lets you hit confirm into specials instead of blindly committing to them due to the dial a string combo system. Which then opens up the characters to be used in a variety of ways.

I see people here are talking about the other option select that cancels a special into a string. That one is dumb.
Click to expand...
What option select allows you to cancel a special into a string?
 
Jb879212

Jb879212

40 Percent Punish
I have some questions. 1. If you remove the buffer system that makes these option selects work, wouldn't that also effect the ability to buffer run? 2. The way I understand the OS these days is that in order to do these option selects you have to use a string that ends in same button as the preferred special. Wouldn't this mean that most OS for certain characters are extremely predictable and there for punishable? EX: Raiden's b2. You block both but you know its so punishable the option select is coming, you also know you can duck shocker, so why not just duck after the b2 animation is over and get you're free punish from there? If that's the case I feel like this just evolves the meta more than anything else.
 
Krackatoa

Krackatoa

BEES? BEES!
AK Smarrgasm said:
I understand that people are concerned but I honestly dont think it will kill the game or anything that drastic. I get that just about everyone would want it removed because it does not reward smart play or guessing right in a game where that is a necessity.

This OS helps some characters in the bottom get better but i still believe it benefits the top tier the most which is also unfortunate. Its just something that people will get used to over time and adapt to.
Click to expand...
It really is just a case-by-case basis. Option-selects aren't inherently bad. SFIV is full of them, and a ton of fun gameplay revolves around punishing them. Have you ever counter hit a guy mashing OS Tech?


It's the best feeling in the world.

I realize that example doesn't really tie to offensive-oriented option-selects, but you can reduce the potency of offensive and defensive option-selects as needed. Raiden's b2 OS is insanely good. It's just a good option. All you need to do to balance it is make Electrocute more unsafe, or remove the special cancel from b2 and make b2 not minus awholefuckingsecond.
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Noob
You don't adapt to this and there is no counter. It makes things safe and that is it. You don't go around saying ''oh this character has a safe low and overhead, let me adapt to this''. You can't adapt to it, you just have to guess when the opponent gets in, the difference is that the risk on their part is gone.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.