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General/Other - Kenshi I keep hearing Kenshi is bad...

He is fine. Pig is just a salty little kid.

He wants MK9 levels of OPness Kenshi in order to compete lol.
Yeah, pig is a salty dick. Sorry but it's true because with him being a pro tourney player he should know better and move on, work on leveling up, instead of creating daft threads cos his character got it's ass handed to on a plate.

Just enjoy the game and if people Kenshi then use him.
 

adamlon1

Noob
As A Kenshi Main I understand your concerns with the character but something you need to understand is that it isn't the quality of the character it is the quality of the player take for example Tom Brady in MK9 he played a very unpopular character that people considered mid tier but he sticked with it and is considered to be very proficient with that character and also the Kenshi variations change quite a bit so you might want to experiment because I play Kenjutsu Kenshi because of how close up and how good it's mix-ups and 50/50s are so you might want to go from variation to variation to find which you prefer.
 

Yoaks

A spaceman
Lets try this again, but this time explain to me how Kenshi's zoning and mix up are both worse than decent, decent obviously meaning "okay". And how 30% off of a mix up is bad damage. And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Kenshi could combo into ex something, jump in, d1, and he had frame advantage enough to mix up into overhead, low, any variation of his fairly extensive list of options shown in Pigs original video, or just throw. Is this vortex not in the game anymore?

This time reply with a rebuttal rather than some smart ass comment without explaining yourself, so that the community can grow.
It's Kenjutsu that has the vortex. And its butt. This is the only variation that he has mixups even worth talking about. Possessed does have a Low and Overhead special but the overhead only grants you 9% and on block its +6 with some pushback. Which is fine but ppl shouldnt even be worried about it at all. Possessed zoning is bad since ppl can just jump over or neutral jump Slam or run past TF. In Kenjutsu he needs 2 bars to get his vortex going and he doesnt get whole lot for it. His zoning in Kenjutsu and Balanced isn't decent when half the cast can just block and punish it.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Lets try this again, but this time explain to me how Kenshi's zoning and mix up are both worse than decent, decent obviously meaning "okay". And how 30% off of a mix up is bad damage. And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Kenshi could combo into ex something, jump in, d1, and he had frame advantage enough to mix up into overhead, low, any variation of his fairly extensive list of options shown in Pigs original video, or just throw. Is this vortex not in the game anymore?

This time reply with a rebuttal rather than some smart ass comment without explaining yourself, so that the community can grow.
It isnt very good, this is very simple.

To matter at all you need 3 bars of meter
b3 ex df1 b1 ex db4 ji2 d1 <-----I think around 28%-32% and costs two bars and if blocked punishable when compared to someone like Quan who can do b324 ex rune to make his 50/50 safe yet kenshi spends a bar to get raped

So lets say you hit the combo above, ok......lets look at your options

If you have a third bar you can do f2/ex df1 or b2 ex df1 for 27% combo if blocked you just spent three bars to take another 28% (pretending you hit the above combo to get to this situation) and again if blocked you get rekt for more dmg than what you just tried to spend 3 bars for

So lets say after hitting the first combo to get to the d1 situation you dont wanna spend a third bar or you dont have it to spend. Well you can do f2 bf2 which is 14% and safe if hit or b3 bf2 for about the same or 311 or an unsafe 31 ex df1 or 31 df1

So the other option is instead of doing the D1 reset you just end the original combo with ji2 f32 bf3 WHICH DOES THE SAME EXACT damage as the 311 and 31 df1 options from the d1 reset

Hence...................The vortex is pretty shit and basically not worth it


Kenshi has solid armor
STFU Quan

Yeah, pig is a salty dick. Sorry but it's true because with him being a pro tourney player he should know better and move on, work on leveling up, instead of creating daft threads cos his character got it's ass handed to on a plate.

Just enjoy the game and if people Kenshi then use him.
Just being honest that he's not very good, Something you may experience everyday despite which character you use

Id like my character to have one positive quality, I dont feel like Tier Whoring like most and usually thats a respectable quality
 
Didn't read the thread yet but it's ironic as I played Blackula for the first time and during a small convo (scorpion vs kenshi) he said he's switching characters because kenshi is bad in this game (I asked him which variation(s) are the best and he said they all suck) Guess this is goin around....OR all these Kenshi players are just used to how retarded he seemed in MK9 and I'm guessing he's been toned down.
He's just plain bad in this game by comparison to the rest of the cast. I don't think he's fundamentally too awful of a character, we absolutely had way worse characters in mk9, but it's just that everyone else in this game is so fucked up awesome that kenshi just doesn't have any compelling reason to be played. He is a straight downgrade from kung jin and possibly even stunt double cage.
 

coolwhip

Noob
Yeah this thread seems legit. Someone created a TYM account JUST to ask this question and his decision on buying the game lies solely with how good Kenshi is...

Please. That's as ridiculous as REO's story about his friend who won't buy the game because he heard Kenshi isn't good. Or you know, the two can be related, which they likely are.

PS: If you're a big enough MK fan to have freaking Kenshi as your favorite character, then you're getting the game. So yeah, this thread is bullshit.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Yeah this thread seems legit. Someone created a TYM account JUST to ask this question and his decision on buying the game lies solely with how good Kenshi is...

Please. That's as ridiculous as REO's story about his friend who won't buy the game because he heard Kenshi isn't good. Or you know, the two can be related, which they likely are.

PS: If you're a big enough MK fan to have freaking Kenshi as your favorite character, then you're getting the game. So yeah, this thread is bullshit.
^
 
every low tier / bad character needs to get buffed
and every top tier / good character needs to get nerfed
so these kind of topics will never be made again, we got a balanced game and everyone is happy

oh wait...
 
I think I speak for all the lower tier mains in MK9 when I say:

"Not my problem, level up"

:DOGE
Yeah this thread seems legit. Someone created a TYM account JUST to ask this question and his decision on buying the game lies solely with how good Kenshi is...

Please. That's as ridiculous as REO's story about his friend who won't buy the game because he heard Kenshi isn't good. Or you know, the two can be related, which they likely are.

PS: If you're a big enough MK fan to have freaking Kenshi as your favorite character, then you're getting the game. So yeah, this thread is bullshit.
Both nailed it :)
 
Kenshi is horrible. Read PIGs post on him. He nails it. The guy can be punished easily by the whole cast. His recovery time on every special takes way to long.
 

RTM2004

Revenant Jade
I've made a "living " person tier list top to bottom

He currently sits bottom 8 IMO
I have a question!
Who are the 8 characters in that bundle where Kenshi sits with?
In other words, who are the other fish in that pond?
Kitana and Shinnok are two of them :( but who are the 6 rest?
 

vegeta

Saiyan Prince
He's just plain bad in this game by comparison to the rest of the cast. I don't think he's fundamentally too awful of a character, we absolutely had way worse characters in mk9, but it's just that everyone else in this game is so fucked up awesome that kenshi just doesn't have any compelling reason to be played. He is a straight downgrade from kung jin and possibly even stunt double cage.
@vegeta you're more than welcomed to try him out and let us all know what u find
I'm not really interested in the character, not since he'd first came out in MKDA. I know nothing about how good or bad he really is in MKX I just remember Friday night playing Blackula and he offhandedly said he's bad in this game but didn't really explain why. Hence I thought one of a few things. 1: They made him less ridiculous than he was in MK9. 2: A lot of other cast members got some stuff in MKX that made them on paar or more OP than he is and he remained the same. 3: He was toned down and everyone else was beefed up(returning characters) or just ridiculous from the start(New characters). Could also have been how the system works in X compared to 9. I dunno. I've only played against him the one time so far. I'm not sure where half the cast stands yet really.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
I agree about the vortex, it is very meter hungry and that was the one thing I noted about it. While I practiced Kenjutsu Kenshi all I could think about is how weak he is without meter. Honestly it just felt like bad character design, and if anything about Kenshi needed a buff the most I feel like it would be Kenjutsu, maybe give him some actual damage that doesn't require a meter. But what's the problem with his zoning that I keep hearing about? 3 of his 4 abilities seem to be pretty good zoning tools, and 2 of those are safe IIRC. I don't think Kenshi will see much if any high level tournament play but I still think he's a viable fighter for pretty much everything else. I also agree about Kenshi being somewhere around bottom 8, but the fighters in this game compared to MK9 (I didin't play Injustice) are a lot closer in viability I believe. So while bot 8 is something that would normally just be trash tier not worth ever playing, I think now most fighters in the entire game are viable, that's why I don't think Kenshi is "bad".