General/Other - Mournful Kitana's Glave Toss Creates Corner Infinites

GRieVeR_SKeiTH · Apr 28, 2015

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xWildx · Apr 28, 2015

Chris Jones said:
No she doesn't she has enough damage as it is~assassin 40%+ off of almost any hit confirm. Mournful might be a little less but the rush down is more than enough compensation. She doesn't need to have this infinite, it would just ruin the character. If they can find a way to just take it out without ruining ij2 or glaives and just make f33 not combo into glaive more than 3 times.

I'm clearly joking, no character NEEDS an infinite. For christ's sake.

Laos_boy · Apr 28, 2015

Chris Jones said:
So much complaining on these forums about how Kitana is bad.... Guys should stop trying to play her like a pure rushdown character. Even though she can't combo overhead, her low starter combos into 40%, and any other hit confirm gives at least 33%+, and 40%+ if you have those. If Kitana had anything remotely close to Cassie's mixups, she'd be broken.

Stop complaining about Kitana, she might need some minor tweaks, but otherwise she is fine.

WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY HER AS A PIRE RUSHDOWN?! We are smart enough to know that she's a pure defensive character. And in this game, its apparent that those characters struggle. I DONT CARE ABOUT 50/50s so stop. But on the point of 50/50s so what if her low does 40% people shouldn't be blocking high against her. She her projectile is good, yes her damage is good. We know our character. But we also know her flaws. Unsafe everywhere, and no mix ups to compliment her unsafeness. If she had a safe special move she wouldn't need a 50/50. Ugh. At least she's beautiful in this game.

xWildx · Apr 28, 2015

On a side note Chris, can you not refer to her b14 as a low starter? Because it's not. It's an easily blockable segment of a string with an 18 frame mid starter.

Mileena's f4 is a low starter.

arydious · Apr 28, 2015

I can only get this to work on male characters.

My reasoning is I can't land an Instant Air Punch on any female character.

Obviously broke.

Jimmypotato · Apr 28, 2015

arydious said:
I can only get this to work on male characters.

My reasoning is I can't land an Instant Air Punch on any female character.

Obviously broke.

I can hit it on mileena, should be able to hit it on anyone if you can hit it on her.

xKhaoTik · Apr 28, 2015

PND OmegaK said:
'Kitana is the worst character in the game'
'She doesn't have anything'

Perfect example of why you should hit the lab and stop crying 2 weeks into the game.

Wow shut up. You know damn well this isn't gonna fly

RunwayMafia · Apr 28, 2015

Chris Jones said:
So much complaining on these forums about how Kitana is bad.... Guys should stop trying to play her like a pure rushdown character. Even though she can't combo overhead, her low starter combos into 40%, and any other hit confirm gives at least 33%+, and 40%+ if you have those. If Kitana had anything remotely close to Cassie's mixups, she'd be broken.

Stop complaining about Kitana, she might need some minor tweaks, but otherwise she is fine.

You are totally entitled to your opinion and my response is not intended to be mean or antagonistic. With that said...

1.)Literally no one is attempting to play Kitana as rushdown. Why would they? If they are, the people they play don't punish her.

2.) The days of landing b14 into 40 percent will be short lived because the opponent has no reason to block overhead.

3.) Competent and high level competitive players have already stopped jumping against her and ducking her fans. That completely nullifies any damage you will be getting from a landed air fan. Not to mention so many Kitanas are throwing fans point blank which are -10.

I play Gunshow (who just won an offline event) everynight and he will get Kitana backed up into a corner within seconds and then that's when her truly unsafe design shines.

She doesn't need "Cassie Cage esque" mixups. She needs plus frames and real range. Or the ability to stagger strings with a low starter like Kano. Or mid hitting fans. Lol literally no one is suggesting she should be rushdown.

Her opponents jumping around and throwing out unsafe attacks/specials is what makes people say she is "okay". Other than a punish the only damage kitana will inflict are from tick throws, the occasional fan, her armored wakeup, or a random b2.

In the casual world, yeah, she is "okay". Competitively speaking, she doesn't stand a chance.

BillStickers · Apr 28, 2015

arydious said:
I can only get this to work on male characters.

My reasoning is I can't land an Instant Air Punch on any female character.

Obviously broke.

That's part of the game because you're not supposed to hit girls.

The Magician · Apr 28, 2015

xWildx said:
On a side note Chris, can you not refer to her b14 as a low starter? Because it's not. It's an easily blockable segment of a string with an 18 frame mid starter.

Mileena's f4 is a low starter.

My mistake, don't know why I referred to it as a low starter. But that's not the point. The point is that she can combo from a low into a 40% which probably most characters can't do without meter. If she had easy combo starters we wouldn't be having this conversation. For example, give Sonya's b14 and replace it with Kitana's and the game would be pretty much over in 2 hits against a good Kitana player. She has insane damage which can be hard to hit, but you can't have insane damage and crazy mixups unless the developers want the game to be unbalanced.

Laos_boy said:
WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY HER AS A PIRE RUSHDOWN?! We are smart enough to know that she's a pure defensive character. And in this game, its apparent that those characters struggle. I DONT CARE ABOUT 50/50s so stop. But on the point of 50/50s so what if her low does 40% people shouldn't be blocking high against her. She her projectile is good, yes her damage is good. We know our character. But we also know her flaws. Unsafe everywhere, and no mix ups to compliment her unsafeness. If she had a safe special move she wouldn't need a 50/50. Ugh. At least she's beautiful in this game.

Like I said before, she needs minor tweaks, not a bunch of heavy changes.

Laos_boy · Apr 28, 2015

Chris Jones said:
My mistake, don't know why I referred to it as a low starter. But that's not the point. The point is that she can combo from a low into a 40% which probably most characters can't do without meter. If she had easy combo starters we wouldn't be having this conversation. For example, give Sonya's b14 and replace it with Kitana's and the game would be pretty much over in 2 hits against a good Kitana player. She has insane damage which can be hard to hit, but you can't have insane damage and crazy mixups unless the developers want the game to be unbalanced.

Like I said before, she needs minor tweaks, not a bunch of heavy changes.

I say f22fan to combo and make fan -5.

RiBBz22 · Apr 28, 2015

An infinite is in no way good enough to bring back Kitana mains

Doombawkz · Apr 28, 2015

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xWildx · Apr 28, 2015

RunwayMafia said:
You are totally entitled to your opinion and my response is not intended to be mean or antagonistic. With that said...

1.)Literally no one is attempting to play Kitana as rushdown. Why would they? If they are, the people they play don't punish her.

2.) The days of landing b14 into 40 percent will be short lived because the opponent has no reason to block overhead.

3.) Competent and high level competitive players have already stopped jumping against her and ducking her fans. That completely nullifies any damage you will be getting from a landed air fan. Not to mention so many Kitanas are throwing fans point blank which are -10.

I play Gunshow (who just won an offline event) everynight and he will get Kitana backed up into a corner within seconds and then that's when her truly unsafe design shines.

She doesn't need "Cassie Cage esque" mixups. She needs plus frames and real range. Or the ability to stagger strings with a low starter like Kano. Or mid hitting fans. Lol literally no one is suggesting she should be rushdown.

Her opponents jumping around and throwing out unsafe attacks/specials is what makes people say she is "okay". Other than a punish the only damage kitana will inflict are from tick throws, the occasional fan, her armored wakeup, or a random b2.

In the casual world, yeah, she is "okay". Competitively speaking, she doesn't stand a chance.

1000x this.

PND OmegaK · Apr 28, 2015

coolwhip said:
She has an infinite that will be banned from tournament + patched out. Not sure that helps her case.

RunwayMafia said:
Lol. What a stupid comment.

Not a case of 'oh she has an infinite now shes good', not my point at all.
No one knew about this until today, so go and figure some shit out that will help her rather than being on suicide watch.

Xero_18 · Apr 28, 2015

KHAOTIC True Grave said:
Are you high? At least show the infinite happening.

Go to my page and check it then

Euphoric · Apr 28, 2015

Lol people who get personally mad over a video game over differing opinions.

Xero_18 · Apr 28, 2015

dookieagain said:
Serious question, how much damage does this do if you start at 0 bar for opponent and continue till they breaker?

It can't be worse than Cyrax right?

Rampage254 said:
My friend said he got to 60%+ before the damage scaled and it stopped doing damage.

that's not true. I got to 70% just doing the infinite but meter build also scales so you can get to 70% without building a bar for the opponent.

dookieagain · Apr 28, 2015

Xero_18 said:
that's not true. I got to 70% just doing the infinite but meter build also scales so you can get to 70% without building a bar for the opponent.

That's pretty bad then. But still not worse than Cyrax.

RunwayMafia · Apr 28, 2015

PND OmegaK said:
Not a case of 'oh she has an infinite now shes good', not my point at all.
No one knew about this until today, so go and figure some shit out that will help her rather than being on suicide watch.

Ladies and gentlemen, step right up and take a look at the typical TYMer in its natural habitat!

Finding an infinite that shouldn't be there and will be taken out doesn't mean shit to her frame data and general design.

Negative frames, unsafe specials, no lows or overheads, nothing cancelable. This isn't The Great Sphinx...there is no mystery to this cut and dry character.

Lol, nice try though.

PND OmegaK · Apr 28, 2015

RunwayMafia said:
Ladies and gentlemen, step right up and take a look at the typical TYMer in its natural habitat!

Finding an infinite that shouldn't be there and will be taken out doesn't mean shit to her frame data and general design.

Negative frames, unsafe specials, no lows or overheads, nothing cancelable. This isn't The Great Sphinx...there is no mystery to this cut and dry character.

Lol, nice try though.

You have let the princess down. May she have mercy.

Ashenar · Apr 28, 2015

PND OmegaK said:
'Kitana is the worst character in the game'
'She doesn't have anything'

Perfect example of why you should hit the lab and stop crying 2 weeks into the game.

Eh its an infinate so this technically would be banned anyway out of tournaments.

dookieagain · Apr 28, 2015

Ashenar said:
Eh its an infinate so this technically would be banned anyway out of tournaments.

Most games don't ban infinites. I know Fuerte's, All of the MVC2/UMVC3 ones, pretty sure even the UNIEL Waldenstein infinite was allowed to rock. Oh yeah and every duck cancel combo in SFA3 and SC3.

Xero_18 · Apr 28, 2015

dookieagain said:
That's pretty bad then. But still not worse than Cyrax.

I didn't play Mk9 so I'm not seeing how that's bad or good. 70% and not building even one bar for your oppomen is very much in kitanas favor. It means you could get to 100 and they can't break out.

True Grave · Apr 28, 2015

Xero_18 said:
Go to my page and check it then

Please go to page 1 and read post #8

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