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mrtom

Noob
I haven't played any good raidens, but how does he hold up against strong pressure Jin?
I consider myself to be a pretty good Raiden and Jin can give me a lot of trouble. I can have a real hard time getting in without meter and Jin's combos can dish out good damage that I end up using my meter to break leaving me with very little to get the damage I need in combos. I've noticed Jin players usually follow a pattern so if I'm playing a set I can usually handle once I spot my opponents habits.

Aside from Jin, the other characters that give me trouble are Kano, Jax, Goro and good Scorpions. I'm unsure about Liu Kang and Kung Lao, haven't really run into any really good ones yet but I can see how they might be tough to deal with.

Ultimately I think it's still too early to tell. I'm not familiar enough with the matchups yet so it's hard to tell if it's the player or the character that's really giving me a hard time.
 

LAMG

Noob
Now i figured out why im hooked on playing Raiden; he can do a few things i used to do with Shang Tsung in MK9(pre armor on wakeup patch) he has some hi/lo mix a low normal that moves him foward and the ability to stuff just about anithyng.
 
So I did this to some guy online and thought it was kind of weird so I took it to the lab and decided to mess with it. Anyway because of the hit box of electric fly you can actually punish ice clone with normal fly like 9/10 times and you will go right through the ice clone. Even when I set subzero to clone and then block and I missed the punish. He would block me and I would just be standing inside the clone but not freezing. I feel like if you can get this down you can effectively make it so SZ cannot clone.
 

Cosmic Forge

Practice mode noob
I'm a king jin main, looking at picking up an alt. I'm reading all of the threads, but what's raidens weakness? Is he really solid or what? I love my jin.
His main weakness is a decent low/overhead mixup, mainly because if his overhead option(b2) is blocked, you have until next week to punish him. Yeah, you can cancel the 2nd hit of his overhead into something like shocker, but then you have no combo afterwords.

In Thundergod, he can fish for a combo starter with b+3,2(hold)... if any of the hits in this string connects, the rest connects and you can hit confirm into an EX shocker and go from there. Again however, if your opponent is patient, they can just block the whole string low and jab punish you. In other variations, his main low starter is b+3,3, but I've heard it's very hard to hit confirm that into EX shocker on reaction.

In the end, when Raiden goes to combo, it seems like he has to go all in. The one exception to this is the 213 and 214 string. Especially with a jump in punch, you can continue with 21 and hit confirm this into the 3 (combo starter), 4 (into EX shocker) or if it's blocked, 4 (into regular shocker or LB backdash cancel, etc). None of this is a mixup though, since after the jump in, they can block the rest low without fear.

One last thing -- on the plus side -- someone said Raiden has trouble with zoners... I would disagree. Even without displacer, if you're fast enough (or they are being predictable), Raiden can just EX superman through any projectiles and push them into the corner, instantly gaining advantage. Raiden also has a unique immunity to crossups (IE confusing your inputs on wakeup) with both his X-Ray (hits both sides) and the fact that both DF2 and DB2 with EX have armor and start combos. He's very solid on wakeup with the right awareness.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
You guys downplaying raiden's 50/50 are insane. He has an option select on the b2. If you time it right, on block... b2~shocker comes out, but not on hit so you can full combo. Either way... one 50/50 option being unsafe doesn't mean it's not a ridiculous 50/50. This isn't injustice where you can just get away with anything. His b2 and b3 are 12 frames. This means it can't be fuzzy guarded. Lrn2play.
 

nugava

Noob
I cannot let say he lacks of a decent overhead/low mix up when that leads into 50 % midscreen with one bar (in Thunder God)... Damn god, fortunately the overhead is super unsafe... (Have you seen Justin Wong ? He litteraly only uses b2 and b32(hold)... And goes crazy...)... I still think this is the best way to play Raiden... + He has the best punisher in the game. f12 into EX Shocker... 5 frames Mid starter... Boom 40 % + with one bar... I'll litteraly have to learn Lightning Cancel to extend midscreen combos and to apply more pressure in the corner... And Yes, EX Superman is godlike... And he has 4 armored moves...
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
@Chaosphere: Can you explain the timing and the inputs for the option select please. That sounds quite godlike.
Just b2~shocker. Gotta delay the shocker correctly. And it is godlike. Thunder god raiden is absolutely absurd. Mash f1 to victory. 5 frame mid that launches for meterless damage into a standing reset into a 50/50. Raiden is a problem right now. People saying he's too slow are fucking retarded.
 

nugava

Noob
And did you see how Justin Wong reacted to all of D'Vorah projectiles before they even came out with the normal Superman... ? I mean, he can punish so many projectiles (on startup and on block with that). I wonder if he goes through the ice clone AND the Ice ball at the same time.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
And did you see how Justin Wong reacted to all of D'Vorah projectiles before they even came out with the normal Superman... ? I mean, he can punish so many projectiles (on startup and on block with that). I wonder if he goes through the ice clone AND the Ice ball at the same time.
Nothing special. Dvorahs move you're talking about is so easily reactable. You can even run past it and mess her up with a full combo if you're not too far away.
 

nugava

Noob
Yup, but the Superman punish makes the life easier... I feel like Raiden is best played with your brain "off". BTW, I was not talking about the "from the ground thing" but about the horizontal bug throw.
 
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Just b2~shocker. Gotta delay the shocker correctly. And it is godlike. Thunder god raiden is absolutely absurd. Mash f1 to victory. 5 frame mid that launches for meterless damage into a standing reset into a 50/50. Raiden is a problem right now. People saying he's too slow are fucking retarded.
You'd think it would be realized quickly how good f1,2,b2 is. Yet I watch jwong and paulb on twitch and they never use it. They both just continusly spam 1,1.

I don't see anyone using f2,1+2 or b3,2 to advance or poke either. These things basically reach half screen lol. I don't win tournaments but, how do they not use these things. Paulb doesn't even hold b3,2 in the corner to make it safe. I wanted to make a twitch acount just to tell him
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
You'd think it would be realized quickly how good f1,2,b2 is. Yet I watch jwong and paulb on twitch and they never use it. They both just continusly spam 1,1.

I don't see anyone using f2,1+2 or b3,2 to advance or poke either. These things basically reach half screen lol. I don't win tournaments but, how do they not use these things. Paulb doesn't even hold b3,2 in the corner to make it safe. I wanted to make a twitch acount just to tell him
Yeah dude. No idea. Thunder god Raiden is really really good right now. One of the best.

However, I just played against summoner Quan for the first time and jesus christ. He's could be the most broken in the game. Too early to tell but fuck. I felt like I didn't even learn anything.
 

Barrogh

Meta saltmine
Wanted to remind you guys that option selects may be patched out eventually, so don't get used to that one just in case.
 

mrtom

Noob
You'd think it would be realized quickly how good f1,2,b2 is. Yet I watch jwong and paulb on twitch and they never use it. They both just continusly spam 1,1.

I don't see anyone using f2,1+2 or b3,2 to advance or poke either. These things basically reach half screen lol. I don't win tournaments but, how do they not use these things. Paulb doesn't even hold b3,2 in the corner to make it safe. I wanted to make a twitch acount just to tell him
Yeah b3,2 and f2,2+4 are crazy good once you get the spacing down. I've found both of them really strong against players who like to neutral jump as your approaching. I see a lot of Kung Jin players do this because the staff has great reach and they can get a lot of damage of a njp. b3,2 is awesome in the corner. I love it when they try an armored wakeup and it gets blown up. It'll condition then to block low on wakeup and then it's time to whip out those crazy b2 50% overhead combos. Even 1122 can be very strong on wakeup if you time it right, not as safe as b3,2 but still good. You can also do 1122 and not hold the 1st lighting strike and end up behind them and hold the 2nd from far away and catch them off guard. Not something you want to abuse but it can definitely mess with their heads. 112 and 1122 mixups are also tricky when you alternate how long you hold and how many strikes you do.
 
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nugava

Noob
Lol. Sure... b2/b3 beeing 12 frames. Damn too slow... KappaFace... I might say his weakness is the low poking game... But I did not even looked at that really well...
 

Varion

Noob
After how much hate my Jin brings to people, I wanna pick up this character as a respectable alt haha.


I've been watching a lot of Thunder God, seems like his best variation, no?