Thanks bud!
9 teleport characters minimum, plus a few more non teleport characters that can slide under the shots for a knockdown. That's off of the top of my head.
I get that, for sure, but alot of people are downplaying the issues that other people are having with the matchup, suggesting that they're weak players that don't understand the matchup. As somebody who struggles with this matchup against a competent Jacqui on the regular, the tone of this presentation on how to defeat her is incredibly annoying.
I think it's coming off like that because the majority of people complaining about Jacqui honestly just sound scrubby. They aren't practicing every option and finding ways around it, they are just getting shot a couple of times and then running to the Internet crying. When in reality there are MUCH worse things going on in this game than "Jacqui's gun", I can name like 10 things a whole lot worse, yet you hear about these guns multiple times a day.
What are some of these rediculous things that you feel SHOULD be being discussed? Surely nothing thay could be discredited as easily as Jacqui's zoning?
Jacqui's guns are just an annoyance that people can get around fairly well with more experience and most characters barring 5 or so.
I have absolutely no problem with njp Jin, and I could make a thread similar to OP's oversimplifying the tech required to beat him. But I think I see your point nonetheless- a full screen spammable projectile that is difficult to advance through (but not for any decent player, amiright?)pales in comparison to blocking a mixup.
Since you didn't quote my other two examples I'm assuming you agree with those as being much worse issues.
TBH I don't agree with your other examples, high damage combos leading into vortexes is nothing new for MK. When the TYM community was asked "Does a character need 50/50s to be good", the overwhelming response was "no, you are complete and total scrub for thinking that", though it certainly doesn't hurt, right? Believe it or not it is possible to block Cassie's low/highs, scorpions vortex can be armored through and you can read the overhead. What else is there to discuss?
It is an issue. Do you seriously think in the prime of MK9, if there was one more patch everyone wouldn't have requested to nerf Cyrax 80% resets or Kabal? That MMH in Injustice wouldn't have been toned down? Of course. Not much of a difference when discussing those type of things in MKX, and that's why it'll most likely be nerfed regardless of me or anyone else bringing it up. Again, Jacqui's guns in no way whatsoever fit the category of Cyrax 80% resets like Scorpion 75-78% meterless combo for guessing wrong once does.TBH I don't agree with your other examples, high damage combos leading into vortexes is nothing new for MK. When the TYM community was asked "Does a character need 50/50s to be good", the overwhelming response was "no, you are complete and total scrub for thinking that", though it certainly doesn't hurt, right? Believe it or not it is possible to block Cassie's low/highs, scorpions vortex can be armored through and you can read the overhead. What else is there to discuss?
njp Jin was really just a joke, but you may analyze it if you'd like. It was a reference to what all of the low lvl Jin players overuse. Jin's "full tool set" is everything that Kitana has, add a reactable/comboable overhead and subtract a decent zoning game (Bo variation, of course).
I main Kitana, not Kung Jin. Two of my more difficult matchups are against Full Auto Jacqui and Inferno Scorpion. People downplay my struggles in extremely frustrating ways, in the same way I just intentionally did to you above. All. The. Time. Downplaying your legitimate concerns was frustrating to read, no? TYM has had this elitist thing against the status quo's ideas of a balanced game for some time now, and anybody who agrees with the "scrubs" or wanting a change is immediately given a laundry list of reasons why they suck for suggesting it. "Your opinion sucks, here's what is ACTUALLY broken to people who ACTUALLY know how to block a projectile"- thats the vibe I've been getting lately, and its extremely ugly
That was my point, I had no intention to start any sort of debate, but this is fun. In response to your initial post- I do not think it is the greatest response to suggest switching characters instead of learning a difficult matchup- stating "12 characters can get around it using one move alone so you see its not a good move" doesn't really help when I don't play any of those 12 characters. Rather, it feels like you're trying to undermine the threat in my matchup and downplay my skill as a player. I wil acknowledge that these are opinion threads, and that anyone may suggest that their perceived problems are more of an issue than anybody elses.
This made me laugh too much. Especially since me and @Eldriken were at opposite ends of the spectrum for the entire run of Injustice. So for us to agree on this we must be right.I await your response and Eldriken's immediate likening of it
I warned you all. 3 weeks pre-release. 3 weeks post-release minimum.
I agree with what you're saying. Keep in mind that I never asked for a nerf. The kitana matchup is indeed difficult and certainly possible.It is an issue. Do you seriously think in the prime of MK9, if there was one more patch everyone wouldn't have requested to nerf Cyrax 80% resets or Kabal? That MMH in Injustice wouldn't have been toned down? Of course. Not much of a difference when discussing those type of things in MKX, and that's why it'll most likely be nerfed regardless of me or anyone else bringing it up. Again, Jacqui's guns in no way whatsoever fit the category of Cyrax 80% resets like Scorpion 75-78% meterless combo for guessing wrong once does.
Bro, I don't know how else to say it, but it kinda sounds bad when you're agreeing with "the scrubs" because you have a hard time getting around a projectile. Like I named almost 3/4 of the cast that has a unique option to stop her from shooting more than two in a row. Unfortunately, you play one of the few characters who doesn't have one. It isn't like other bs where it effects the entire cast or almost everyone. This is only "more difficult than normal" for a few cast members, but even then you have options.
Kitana? Duck, throw fans, run cancel and duck. Right there you've already reached mid range and have a number of options again. You have to remember there's like 17-18 cast members that can be patient and punish her badly for shooting too many shots, half of those for full combos. There's no way she should be NERFED when she already has that disadvantage to begin with. If you prefer to only play Kitana then you can't petition for a nerf because you have a bad MU. You are choosing to play her and be stuck dealing with it the long way. I have utter hell when Sonya gets inside with Kano but I've barely said anything because I think she is strong, but not broken. Just a strong character with strong mixups. I can choose to play Kung Jin, or I can choose to play Sonya so much that I know what to do instinctively after losing 500 more times.
What I'm getting at is yea, it can suck, but have you faced a good Quan Chi or Kano? I can show you Kano personally. He's MY main character and I think his zoning is insane, much better than Jacqui's. I played a set for 2 and a half hours Friday against Summoner/Warlock Quan and was getting outzoned like it was nothing. Whooped so bad at certain points to where I had to bite my shirt in salt and rage so I wouldn't scream. Jacqui has nothing on these two in the zoning department lol. I really think you should play your Jacqui friend as much as you can and maybe even tell him "hey man keep spamming guns whenever you can" so you can condition yourself to beat it eventually, to the point where he'll think twice about shooting them. They really aren't that great once you have a gameplan to deal with them.
This made me laugh too much. Especially since me and @Eldriken were at opposite ends of the spectrum for the entire run of Injustice. So for us to agree on this we must be right.
The problem isn't high-level players.It saddens me that this thread had to be made. Extremely saddening. Probably moreso because it's on TYM. I mean I'd get it if this was Facebook or something but are even high level players not able to deal with this? It's honestly not that bad, I could see a point if the bullets were mid but you can duck and run cancel or walk or whatever and you'll be in in plenty of time. Complaints about it are pretty much unwarranted otherwise, especially if you're using your online experience against it as reasoning.
It's called patience guys
