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Syzoth

Syzoth

The last Saurian from Zaterra - Syzoth - Reptile
Considering how descriptive your combos were and I tried them and I'd like to thank you adding to my repertoire.
The 3 I can think of that I left out is
2,1,2,4 (slight pause) f2, 1, 1+3. Good for some moderate meterless damage and a slight corner push.
If they get hit by my force ball I forward jump kick, slide. for another corner push.
My corner combo is meterless. I use f4,1,2, slow force ball, backwards jump kick, f4,1,2, and then some sort of mixup. Best of luck and keep reptiling friends.
 
Kalaise

Kalaise

Noob
Syzoth said:
Considering how descriptive your combos were and I tried them and I'd like to thank you adding to my repertoire.
The 3 I can think of that I left out is
2,1,2,4 (slight pause) f2, 1, 1+3. Good for some moderate meterless damage and a slight corner push.
If they get hit by my force ball I forward jump kick, slide. for another corner push.
My corner combo is meterless. I use f4,1,2, slow force ball, backwards jump kick, f4,1,2, and then some sort of mixup. Best of luck and keep reptiling friends.
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How much % is your corner combo?
 
rev0lver

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
RampaginDragon said:
1) I disagree. My bet is that a lot of fighters will be using the same bnbs that they have now, unless the meta heavily changes to favor a different style of play, they are changed via patch, or new set ups are discovered that alter their combo into something different, but not new. This isn't to say all characters will be using the same combos they have now, because that's absurd.
2) I disagree. Many viable set ups have been discovered since release. I'm not sure if "major-proven" is supposed to mean it has to do well at a major before it's considered good, but if that is what you were saying, then I'd say you should be more confident. Majors do nothing other than attempt to prove which player is better at that time. Set ups are proven to be good or bad by testing to see how strong it is against anyone competent or a bot if that set up is able to be tested on a bot.
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I agree with these points pretty much. The combo potential for most characters is probably already discovered (most not all). Bnb-wise though. There's still a lot to discover situationally. Most of what will change is just people learning to execute the more difficult combos more consistently, and people using different enders to create better setups. Like in injustice, the aquaman combos i found literally the day i got the game were still the standard 2 years later. Green Arrow had his later-used bnb's discovered very early, it was just a matter of getting the execution down. I've gone through pretty much every possibility with Jacqui over the past 2 weeks off her starters, and I can bet the only things that could change is ending them differently to create more advantageous setups. I'll probably use the easier ones early, but I already know what the heavier-execution ones are that I'll probably use later.

On the second point, that's true. Setups are setups regardless of whether they're used to win a major. I don't understand what the point is there. If they're working in practice against good players, they're also going to work in practice against good players at a major. Where it's done at doesn't mean anything.
 
Cossner

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Administrator
rev0lver said:
I agree with these points pretty much. The combo potential for most characters is probably already discovered (most not all). Bnb-wise though. There's still a lot to discover situationally. Most of what will change is just people learning to execute the more difficult combos more consistently, and people using different enders to create better setups. Like in injustice, the aquaman combos i found literally the day i got the game were still the standard 2 years later. Green Arrow had his later-used bnb's discovered very early, it was just a matter of getting the execution down. I've gone through pretty much every possibility with Jacqui over the past 2 weeks off her starters, and I can bet the only things that could change is ending them differently to create more advantageous setups. I'll probably use the easier ones early, but I already know what the heavier-execution ones are that I'll probably use later.

On the second point, that's true. Setups are setups regardless of whether they're used to win a major. I don't understand what the point is there. If they're working in practice against good players, they're also going to work in practice against good players at a major. Where it's done at doesn't mean anything.
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Green Arrow's optimal BnBs were discovered 6 months after the game came out. Especially since they changed post-patch (and only the GA community were using them, to this day most people still use the Chris G garbocombos).
Major-proven as in taken offline and having them work consistently. Duh.
Reptile's gimmicky elbow dash to cross up was discovered December 2012. Jax's 130% combo was discovered a few months after the game came out. In the words of J360: everyone sucks at the game right now.

Jesús dame paciencia.
 
Cossner

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Administrator
RampaginDragon said:
Actually that's how bad theory crafters craft. Someone with any sense would craft according to a reasonable level of play, not the one best player.



So let me get this straight, if I am of a certain opinion, and it doesn't match with your personal experience, then I must have just never been in your position? "That's how it works". Fuck, I didn't expect you to have a very high threshold for abstract thought but I didn't think it went this far. But anyway, there is a noticeable difference, albeit a very small difference between offline and good connection online. This difference never happened to adversely effect my play or any of the people I chose to regularly play with unless the connection got out of hand. It feels better to play offline, I'll give it that, and it very rarely does actually make a difference in a match, and for that reason I'm glad that tournies are held offline, because one small mistake that may happen 1 in 500 times online could make a difference offline. But I'm not sure how this makes online a purely recreational environment with no competitive play.



Last hitting, cd timing, flashing, chain cc'ing, ability combo'ing, all occasionally require the player to act with within 1 frame and these are things all 10 players do regularly per game.



The offline connection must be way better in the places you play. I'll have to go sometime.



k den



I never said I think most of the tech has been discovered. I said the sum of the "tangible" parts of this game is greater than the sum of what we will discover in the future, and tech is part of the tangible stuff. Hope that makes sense.



1) I disagree. My bet is that a lot of fighters will be using the same bnbs that they have now, unless the meta heavily changes to favor a different style of play, they are changed via patch, or new set ups are discovered that alter their combo into something different, but not new. This isn't to say all characters will be using the same combos they have now, because that's absurd.
2) I disagree. Many viable set ups have been discovered since release. I'm not sure if "major-proven" is supposed to mean it has to do well at a major before it's considered good, but if that is what you were saying, then I'd say you should be more confident. Majors do nothing other than attempt to prove which player is better at that time. Set ups are proven to be good or bad by testing to see how strong it is against anyone competent or a bot if that set up is able to be tested on a bot.
3) There is definitely MU specific tech. It may not be amazing, and there may not be much of it, but it certainly exists. I agree no one knows match ups yet, but we can speculate for the future based on what we know now, and we wouldn't be the first to have our hypotheses be proven correct.
4) And I'm sure we'll still be learning stuff four years from now as well.



Ironic

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I'm really not even gonna bother to reply to the sheer idiocy displayed here. Good luck thinking we should all base tier lists based on average players, thinking that everything in the game has been found out, and that online is the same as offline. I'm out.
 
rev0lver

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
RM Cossner said:
Green Arrow's optimal BnBs were discovered 6 months after the game came out. Especially since they changed post-patch (and only the GA community were using them, to this day most people still use the Chris G garbocombos).
Major-proven as in taken offline and having them work consistently. Duh.
Reptile's gimmicky elbow dash to cross up was discovered December 2012. Jax's 130% combo was discovered a few months after the game came out. In the words of J360: everyone sucks at the game right now.

Jesús dame paciencia.
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Yeah we were dumb back in MK9. We had no idea what we were doing in this type of engine. Things are different now. I've seen people use GA's optimal combos far before they were the norm, they just normally didn't as a BNB because it was difficult to do consistently at first. I feel like there's a lot less mystery about what might be found now though. Combo-wise, pretty much everything we can't find with a good session in practice mode is situational stuff, or with characters with lots of variables involved (like MoS Raiden or something).

With Full Auto Jacqui, I found my bnb's in like 30 minutes in practice. There's a finite amount of options to do off a launcher, unless something's patched in there's nothing that's going to suddenly appear and give her better combo extenders. And looking around, I don't think anyone has done more yet. If anyone gets more off these starters (meterless, midscreen), I'll apologize:
f12 - 32%
b33 - 37%
b2 - 21%
121 - 33%

As far as the setup stuff, they don't need to be taken to tournaments to work. For most stuff, a good player should be able to see if it's good just in theory. When you take it to practice, if you put it in your game and it works, it works, so long as it's solid in theory and with the frame data and not something like being hard to defend due to delay. Knowing I get a 50/50 setup with Shotgun Jacqui doesn't require me to do them at a major to know it's good.
 
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mamasau

mamasau

Noob
btw reptile has the longest tongue :p

disclaimer: I'm not a pro player, and maybe an average casual, I'm only getting serious with mkx and already learning a lot of things, thanks guys :D

my thoughts about Reptile:
At the beginning, I thought that after learning the core, all variations were following soon, I was wrong. Each variation needs a proper playstyle and approach to the match.
Noxiuos brings damage, it works also during grabs, not on kd, the tick seems blocked in that state and atm don't know when it's applied soon after, but the point is you want a playstyle keeps you close with a lot of grabs and long animations up close.
Nimble has a crazy corner, he's calling an approach to corner asap.
Deceptive: ex stealth is armored, I really think this is huge and luckily flying under the radar.
Reptile it's not mono-dimensional, like he was supposed to after the kombat-cast reveal, He's one of the characters with a lot of potential whose know so little, maybe only the 10% is already exposed, being positive.
 
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Kalaise

Kalaise

Noob
mamasau said:
btw reptile has the longest tongue :p

disclaimer: I'm not a pro player, and maybe an average casual, I'm only getting serious with mkx and already learning a lot of things, thanks guys :D

my thoughts about Reptile:
At the beginning, I thought that after learning the core, all variations were following soon, I was wrong. Each variation needs a proper playstyle and approach to the match.
Noxiuos brings damage, it works also during grabs, not on kd, the tick seems blocked in that state and atm don't know when it's applied soon after, but the point is you want a playstyle keeps you close with a lot of grabs and long animations up close.
Nimble has a crazy corner, he's calling an approach to corner asap.
Deceptive: ex stealth is armored, I really think this is huge and luckily flying under the radar.
Reptile it's not mono-dimensional, like he was supposed to after the kombat-cast reveal, He's one of the characters with a lot of potential whose know so little, maybe only the 10% is already exposed, being positive.
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I Dont like playing without invisibility so I wouldn't know. The other variations are lame IMO :p
 
RampaginDragon

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
RM Cossner said:
I'm really not even gonna bother to reply to the sheer idiocy displayed here. Good luck thinking we should all base tier lists based on average players, thinking that everything in the game has been found out, and that online is the same as offline. I'm out.
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I never said tier lists should be based on average players, I've said about 6 times now that we haven't discovered everything about this game, and I said there is a notable difference between online and offline, and that offline feels better to play in. Literally everything you just said is inaccurate, but your butthurt rage on your imaginary high horse that only you see yourself on is forcing you to see only what you want to.
 
Visceral Vain

Visceral Vain

Noob
Kalaise said:
How about those who don't use nimble? What's the best I can get 1 bar without that
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Tbh I haven't really learned most of my basic bnbs yet, so I wouldn't know. But check out Dwarfmp corner combos in the combo thread. None of those use any meter and can be used any variation. Also Cossner posted alot of good combos in the first page of this thread as well IIRC.
 
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