Testers and Early Tournaments

MITDJT said:

Nah screw that. I am not going to sit here while some ppl just whine about testers. Also if this is such a big issue, why has no rule been implemented for something like this way before the game came out? Oh wait, no one wants to answer that though lol. Smh

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To be fair, there was a thread before release. I created it. Consensus was that we ban the long term testers a month, and let the weekly testers play. Just throwing that out there.

I made this thread months ago. I need to blow up brady more to get attention again.

Let me put it this way. Testers are testers for a reason. They're usually people who are good at the game and see more stuff than average players. They read, the figure the game out quicker and find nuances in it. That's the reason they are testers. They just break down information about the game at a faster speed than the rest of us and put it to use.

Also, they are not there to lab their character, or to learn match-ups. They are there to find bugs and glitches in the game. To add balance to it. They're looking for specific things. They're not just sitting there trying to bang out the most optimal combo for every match-up. It's a very controlled process.

So... given that they are selected based on how fast they understand the game, how good they are at fighting games and breaking down information over everyone else, odds are, they'll still be what they're doing even if they weren't testers at these tournaments. You call out Cat for being upset, but if I remember correctly there were threads with Cat getting to play the game early too with some KH guys. Wouldn't that be an unfair advantage also? Figure your argument out homie. You think this is unfair? Be good enough to be invited to test for the next game. Otherwise, let it go.

Look at SonicFox at ESL, 2 days with the game and he broke down a character further and faster than all those around him. That's kind of the skill people are looking for in testers. That's what they do. They already have that natural/innate competitive advantage to begin with.

TakeAChance said:

To be fair, there was a thread before release. I created it. Consensus was that we ban the long term testers a month, and let the weekly testers play. Just throwing that out there.

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How many ppl voted for that? I never heard a consensus decision for this nor was one announced. That is a problem.

MITDJT said:

How many ppl voted for that? I never heard a consensus decision for this nor was one announced. That is a problem.

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I appologize, I created the seeding thread.

The major discussion around seeding occured when Toryuken initially announced that testers were banned, only to reverse the decision after feedback.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/testers-possibly-banned-from-toryuken-2015.48952/page-10

TakeAChance said:

I appologize, I created the seeding thread.

The major discussion around seeding occured when Toryuken initially announced that testers were banned, only to reverse the decision after feedback.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/testers-possibly-banned-from-toryuken-2015.48952/page-10

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Oh ok, I remember that thread actually. NWM is this weekend and they are allowing testers (as are other events) so we know the decision the TOs are rolling with.

Its pretty sad that money is the deciding factor in a video game and ruining it for people for the fun and competitive aspect of it of being the best.

Personalities like this is why people like myself dont want to travel. Its a cancer to video games and the community.

Tom Brady said:

It is not a tester issue, its a Tom Brady issue. The jokes and rumors of me actually being a bad player went from false perception to reality. It is this that gets so many all up in arms early in the game. It happened in MK9 as well but no one mentioned that I was till placing 2 years later. People just see this as a player who would actually be bad, looking good only because he tested and it is impossible to imagine said player ever actually being good.

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What are you talking about? That's not the point of this at all. I consider you and reo my friends and think you're good players. I agree and I think Pnut even mentioned you and/or reo could definitely still beat him regardless, it's the advantage that's the problem because he felt like he didn't have a chance. If this were any other tester and this situation happened I'd agree with someone being upset about it. But no other testers were sniping these big pot bonus week one locals as far as I know.

SkaGoogle said:

a month advantage doesn't warrant a ban, I don't have the game so I can't say how movement is, all I know is that if I just got the game I would grind 24 hours straight. You're telling me that you can't learn mobility day 1, day 2 work on combos, day 3 etc etc.. no excuse and He lost fair and square, if it was me I would man up take the loss then go back home and hit the practice room.

Besides what do you suppose Tom do in this situation, "oh I think I'll just wait a few months before I can play competitively for money just out of respect." That doesn't level up the scene faster.

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Dude, don't know what to tell you. All I know is I wouldn't purposefully show up at a local tournament to grab the money and dip. At least do it at a major so you have at least some level of competition.

And if you think a few days is enough to flesh out a fighting game... uh.. guess I can't change your mind about that. Everybody goes back home to hit the lab after any tournament whether they win or lose. I don't know what that has to do with anything here.

Tom Brady said:

I in no way low balled, this is why I am so forthcoming. When I say "2 months" I did not mean I was playing for all 2 months, I mean I had been playing on and off over the last 2 months. I first touched the game about 2 months ago. From that point my timeline was EXACTLY as I gave it. 14 Days at NRS, 11 with Prima, 5 with ESL, 2 or 3 with the game in my personal possession just barely pre-launch. Thats 33 days spread out over the last 2 months. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

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Why do you think that over a month advantage is any less scummy? Look man, I'm not trying to make this personal and this isn't some attempt to just hate on you because I don't want to see you win. I'm legit upset that I can't find you vs forever king at whatever that Ohio tournament was where you pulled off that insane comeback and won with that full corner xray combo. I'd love to play games with you. I feel like I could learn a lot. So I'm not one of these people you're referring to.

I'm not calling for you to be banned for 3 months or anything like that. Just... do it at a major at least so the scene can benefit from seeing high level play and your god like commentary. I just think it's lame to go to a local to take the money during the first few weeks of the game when nobody could possibly know what you know since you've been disecting the game for over a month. And we all know you're good at dissecting games. You have to understand my point here. I understand money is nice.

Personally I don't think the testers played enough or had enough input. Why else would there be such blatant disparity in the characters tools... Johnny cage has super limited tools outside of his pseudo block infinite a-list f3 cancels, he has 1 lame oh, compared to chars like sonya who have low oh oh low low oh mixups. Liu kang has like 40%chip block traps with kick cancel a retarded d3 that's he practically submerges underground in and it's plus a block infinite.

Cybernetic Kano has one of the dumbest designs I have ever seen a mid projectile with that recovery and the ex makes him look like he's throwing at warp speed and is at advantage. not to mention he has 10 times better strings than johnny cage and one of the most reliable whiff punishers wake ups and antiairs when he's a zoner.


Quan chi has brutally unfair recovery on his bat summon (release is mega plus frames) comparing it to johnny cages stunt double is hilarious considering how much better it is as a tool they don't even deserved to be mentioned in the same breath, and is about 5 times better than fredy at full screen and has a 50/50 vortex which can be cancelled into a plus 15 meter burn move that launches and use his bat to extend it even more and setup nigh unblock able which can also be canceled for another free mixup and still combo and loop. Just compare summoner bat and stunt double its a joke. It took me all of 15 minutes to get a sense this character might have issues, a day or so.

Compare quan or Kano or jacqui to another "zoner" like kitana and i can't digure out why they all outclass her in almost every way.


I know it's early and I might be quick to judge, but some things just don't make sense.

Peckapowa said:

Personally I don't think the testers played enough or had enough input. Why else would there be such blatant disparity in the characters tools... Johnny cage has super limited tools outside of his pseudo block infinite a-list f3 cancels, he has 1 lame oh, compared to chars like sonya who have low oh oh low low oh mixups. Liu kang has like 40%chip block traps with kick cancel a retarded d3 that's he practically submerges underground in and it's plus a block infinite.

Cybernetic Kano has one of the dumbest designs I have ever seen a mid projectile with that recovery and the ex makes him look like he's throwing at warp speed and is at advantage. not to mention he has 10 times better strings than johnny cage and one of the most reliable whiff punishers wake ups and antiairs when he's a zoner.


Quan chi has brutally unfair recovery on his bat summon (release is mega plus frames) comparing it to johnny cages stunt double is hilarious considering how much better it is as a tool they don't even deserved to be mentioned in the same breath, and is about 5 times better than fredy at full screen and has a 50/50 vortex which can be cancelled into a plus 15 meter burn move that launches and use his bat to extend it even more and setup nigh unblock able which can also be canceled for another free mixup and still combo and loop. Just compare summoner bat and stunt double its a joke. It took me all of 15 minutes to get a sense this character might have issues, a day or so.

Compare quan or Kano or jacqui to another "zoner" like kitana and i can't digure out why they all outclass her in almost every way.


I know it's early and I might be quick to judge, but some things just don't make sense.

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nice rant lol

The reason Tom or REO didnt play casuals before the tournament was because they were constantly being approached and asked questions about the game before the tournament lol. The tournament also started late which may have been why they decided to leave after it was over. I think people are being a little unfair with that point.

AK L0rdoftheFLY said:

I agree 100% on this and thik that if majors are smart, they will not host a game this new until a month after release aka adequate time for the community to catch up. I said it on my KTF that NRS should sponsor the testers to go and do game clinics and commentate.

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But every TO regardless of local or major wants the early views in the stream imo. Due to wanting that no TO will ignore a game when no one else is. On top of that the TO has to then fight for views from some top player like justin Wong or chrisg (not calling them out just saying my opinion) for views due to streaming another game not popular.

TakeAChance said:

To be fair, there was a thread before release. I created it. Consensus was that we ban the long term testers a month, and let the weekly testers play. Just throwing that out there.

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@Mr Aqua
I recall that but no one wants to remember that. In addition I will add that in the fgc or maybe here when ever someone wants to discuss something it turns into troll bait and the topic as important as the one u made gets derailed And it turns into bs personal insults.

Recent memory recalls this same tester issue with injustice differnt in some ways but heavily discussed prior to launch and after for a bit) & people talking about interaction bans for injustice that only happened to my knowledge at one of @RapZiLLa54 's events. In addition the following responses were used in both situations. Shit even stage select for injustice was an issue smfh.
Excuses:
1) it's to early to make rules let it rock
2) ahhh it's to late already xyz is about to drop and abc is dieing it's to late.

HERE IS THE REAL Question and I respect and like both @Tom Brady & @R.E.O. (i have met them both and know they didn't try to scumbag anyone and take the pot bonus thats not who they are imo and I do not wish to argue this as I believe I know them enough , also they did 24 hour streams and played the shit out of mkx imo from launch till now as someone here already posted) and I do not blame them for going. When does this community decide "hey this is a real issue let's contact TO's & organize about this because this is bugging me and a forum is not helping me" . That doesn't happen what happens every issue is a tym post war, nothing being resolved next game same issues. Don't believe me look at this. Original ban tester thread was made and now I see people saying you should of said something before. This is what I call fucking dejavu. Props to @TakeAChance , @Mr Aqua and others bringing this up early but it gets lost in the tide of bs. Smfh #wakeup organize reach out to your TO's for local and major events and call it a day. Blame ourselves for letting the thread die or get closed. I also don't support a set rule but I understand the OP and I am being real from a person that had mkx since 4/10 for ps4 and xbone on launch via digital store.maybe we need a rule because every fucking nrs game this same shit gets blown up. Next is the nerf posts smfh

ONE LAST POINT. I saw the mkx tester thread and saw pakos @colt (no disrespect to u besides no kabuki jo on mkx heh) response. Seems like he feels testers should not be banned. But ESL didn't invite any testers to fatal 8 is there a reason why? I am not putting words in your mouth but maybe the pot?

Also again this is our game organize via pm if u feel this strong about testers I know i may be tight if I was the original poster but I am not and I won't tell him to hold that L . He is bringing a good point up and stop saying he's being salty I like many of u guys here but IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE And not resolved so we need to all hold that and let the OP say what he feels. Let him voice his opinion without all the bs


EDIT UPDATE: also in regards to @RapZiLLa54 event reo used someone only claude uses which waiting Killer Frost and imo that was hype for injustice. But I could be wrong as this is my opinion

Chaosphere said:

Dude, don't know what to tell you. All I know is I wouldn't purposefully show up at a local tournament to grab the money and dip. At least do it at a major so you have at least some level of competition.

And if you think a few days is enough to flesh out a fighting game... uh.. guess I can't change your mind about that. Everybody goes back home to hit the lab after any tournament whether they win or lose. I don't know what that has to do with anything here.

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I dunno, man. If I was getting sponsored to cruise around and scoop up a few hundo every weekend by pwn'n nubs I probably would too. kek

Monster Planet said:

I dunno, man. If I was getting sponsored to cruise around and scoop up a few hundo every weekend by pwn'n nubs I probably would too. kek

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I don't think he was sponsored to go to this local.

This thread is awesome lol

Chaosphere said:

I don't think he was sponsored to go to this local.

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His sponsor was running the local actually. So they kinda did in a way.

Edfig81 said:

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as far as ESL it was more about giving other players a chance to be apart of things and to have a very diverse bunch, which was why no testers were chosen. either way my opinion is just that my opinion. Tournaments have their own rules set by the organizer and its up to them to do what is best for them and the players attending.

Zoidberg747 said:

His sponsor was running the local actually. So they kinda did in a way.

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Well if his sponsor was just paying him to beat everyone then that's a different story altogether.

you guys cry way too much.
not only have i exposed everything i know, i've gotten beat pretty badly since the game released, and i've only learned more post testing, and helped level up others to beat me badly as well (see next level battle circuit). i also lost to sonicfox horribly. But it's ok ban the testers

FOREVER KING said:

The game has been out for long enough now that anyone could have played over 200 hours of it. Testers are fine I say now

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You posted this on Monday, which was 4 days ago, thus it was the 20th and the game came out on the 14th. If people got 200 hours within six days, something's seriously wrong. Just a little food for thought.

I'm only pointing this out because you said "anyone could have played over 200 hours of it" instead of limiting it to people who got it extremely early.

They would have had to play the game for 20 hours a day every single day up until the end of today to hit 200 hours played.

Eldriken said:

You posted this on Monday, which was 4 days ago, thus it was the 20th and the game came out on the 14th. If people got 200 hours within six days, something's seriously wrong. Just a little food for thought.

I'm only pointing this out because you said "anyone could have played over 200 hours of it" instead of limiting it to people who got it extremely early.

They would have had to play the game for 20 hours a day every single day up until the end of today to hit 200 hours played.

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Idk all I know is I played some testers and went back and forth with them, so they're all good in my book

Sonicfox beat Tom Brady a lot at Fatal 8, I don't think testers have that huge of an advantage over us

FOREVER KING said:

Idk all I know is I played some testers and went back and forth with them, so they're all good in my book

Sonicfox beat Tom Brady a lot at Fatal 8, I don't think testers have that huge of an advantage over us

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It probably isn't as big as some people are making it out to be. Not by this point, anyway.

RM Cossner said:

Yeah man that week made all the difference, you're totally on the level of multi-mlg champions and tournament legends who have sponsors get paid to write fighting game guides.

I wonder if this thread would exist had it been bit or ppj.

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Just bumping this thread to congratulate my boy @Pnut

I mean, who knows whether you're on the level of legends who write fighting game guides -- that remains to be seen -- but by beating CD Jr and Perfect Legend, you are at least on the level of EVO champs.