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rev0lver

Come On Die Young
I don't ever post here but this is a funny post, Pnut.

You want to ban people who played the game early? People who played a month early? A week early? Days? Where does it stop?

KH Cat admitted me to himself that he and a few other had been playing the game for a week or two before release. There's no proof or anyone saying that you're part of that few - but its a safe assumption since you all traveled together and play together.

Should we ban Cat or you for having a small advantage over everyone else?
He doesn't play with the KH guys lol. As far as I know he doesn't even live near them. It is a problem too but you can't regulate it when you don't know who's had it or not, the others are literally in the game's credits though. Regardless of that even, I feel like the players/testers should regulate themselves like some others have and not enter for the first week or two.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
Yeah I think it's kind of scum bag to enter into pot bonus tournaments when you've been playing the game for months already. Like, do you really feel good about the win? I should start entering into a childrens' guitar competitions because hey maybe I'll get some money. The amount of time I've been playing guitar couldn't possibly give me an advantage could it?

However, the experience gap will be over at some point. So whatever. I'm in it for the long haul. I'll be at NWM.
 

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
So I dnt know how many of u know this, but in guilty gear xrd the Japanese had the game like a year early essentially and they are still allowed to enter US majors despite that lol, we talking about a few weeks and a month at most......
But I am not going to go back and forth, u can either agree to let them play or not.
Shh man if you can get your brother banned you can win all the Vegas tournaments! Just go along with it!
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
There were also ppl there who had the game at least 1 week early, maybe more. Thats close to 3 weeks on the game. Sounds fair and balanced to me..
A couple people did, yes. Even so, that's 3 weeks more which is very significant when a game just comes out. Like I said though, I think it should come down to self-regulation, and they shouldn't enter for interest of fairness. You can't force every TO to make a rule like that anyway.
 
A couple people did, yes. Even so, that's 3 weeks more which is very significant when a game just comes out. Like I said though, I think it should come down to self-regulation, and they shouldn't enter for interest of fairness. You can't force every TO to make a rule like that anyway.
It was at our new sponsors venue and it was a local. These rules are ridiculous.. No majors for testers but locals are ok.. However, locals are not ok if there is a $100 or $200 pot bonus, then locals are out. Can we get a rule set for the next game please? Wouldn't want to attend the wrong local. Every tester is entering locals but I'm the bad guy because of a $100 and $200 pot bonus...... I could see if these were big money pot bonuses, I certainly would not have entered if that were the case.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
It was at our new sponsors venue and it was a local. These rules are ridiculous.. No majors for testers but locals are ok.. However, locals are not ok if there is a $100 or $200 pot bonus, then locals are out. Can we get a rule set for the next game please? Wouldn't want to attend the wrong local.
No, I don't think testers should be playing for money regardless of how much in the first week of the game.

Be honest, knowing your level of experience working on the game, working on the guide project, playing at ESL, etc, did you really go in thinking you don't have an advantage and everyone else is on equal ground to win with you?
 

Shock

Administrator
Premium Supporter
Anyone who went out and tested the game for like a week, or a few days I don't think should be temporarily banned from tournaments, at least not from tournaments that don't have NRS money involved but even still. Anyone who has tested the game for months, has like a hundred(s) hours pre release gametime in or more, probably should at least wait until the first major patch (not day 1 fixes) after public release, or a month. It's really tough to say and I've had this conversation before. When MK9 was released, and PDP held that tournament, we were contracted to not be allowed to play in it so go figure. I myself only have about less than 10 hours gameplay time in MKX so far so I'm not worried about anyone playing personally.
 

NYCj360

i Use a modded cyber now
Like I said though, it's not a problem if you went, but I feel like you guys should've gone to commentate or do exhibitions rather than enter. There was more money on the line than some injustice majors, whether or not it's covering flight money you spent. And it is an issue even if it is just a month total when we're talking about 3 days after release. If you've only had a fighting game for 3 days, and pay money to enter a tournament to show off your early skills and potentially place, and there's 2 people who tested the game there (at least one who had even more time to play) who have more exp+knowledge than anyone else was able to have, wouldn't you feel kind of cheated when they win?
That would be nice to do if we had more events to commentate lol. I did it for the Mashfest launch party. I prefer to educate people on the game anyway. But i seriously don't see an issue when once again there were people playing the complete version of the game for a week and change before we even did lol. Either way it's up to the TO, if they allow people to enter then so be it, There is a clear informational advantage, but as far as set play, no one had time to even do that.
 

RM Jonnitti

Hot Dog
i honestly really don't care if they play. nobody is unbeatable. its not like there weren't a bunch of people that had the game like a week early also and im sure the pre release patch is waaaaay closer to the final build then what testers were playing a couple of months ago.
 

Icy Black Deep

Still training...
A better question might be, why have a big pot bonus for a game that's only been out [officially] for a week?
At best it's only encouraging people to try to break the street date. Is it supposed to be a prize for who can grind the hardest for 5 days?

I can totally get the frustration of having two New York players appear unexpectedly at a Texas local, but it's also a reminder that there are always bigger fish.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
What I don't get is why wait till after you lose to get testers banned for a certain amount of time? Why not do it way before the event starts lol
Probably because one wouldn't think somebody would try to literally steal the pot bonus by having the game 2 months early. 2 months? Seriously? I can understand not banning people who played a week early. Stores break street date. Can't regulate that.

It's just weird to me that people are acting like they cant see the difference. And I think trying to find a technicality like "you should have told the TOs to ban them ahead of time," as if it's even his fault in the first place, is a justification for someone secretly playing the game 2 months ahead of time and stealing people's money during week 1.

If that's what someone has to do to get an advantage, more power to them. But don't pretend like it's not ok to think that person is being a total ass.

It would be like finding out sonicfox has actually been playing the game for 2 months once you show up to fatal 8. That would be unfair as shit.
 
Probably because one wouldn't think somebody would try to literally steal the pot bonus by having the game 2 months early. 2 months? Seriously? I can understand not banning people who played a week early. Stores break street date. Can't regulate that.

It's just weird to me that nobody can see the difference. And I think trying to find a technicality like "you should have told the TOs to ban them ahead of time," as if it's even his fault in the first place, is a justification for someone secretly playing the game 2 months ahead of time and stealing people's money during week 1.

If that's what someone has to do to get an advantage, more power to them. But don't pretend like it's not ok to think that person is being a total ass.

It would be like finding out sonicfox has actually been playing the game for 2 months once you show up to fatal 8. That would be unfair as shit.
Read my posts again.. can you not read the timeline I gave? You are adding a bit too much...
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
Read my posts again.. can you not read the timeline I gave? You are adding a bit too much...
Dude, TYM is so dumb on mobile. Posts are out of order. Responding as I read through the thread. 2 different sources said you told them 2 months directly. But yeah I see your break down now. I really don't have too much of a problem with it either way. Whether it's a local or a major doesn't make a difference to me. You could have had plenty of fun just showing up to play with people and promote the game. And your argument that your plane flight cost more than you won is irrelevant since you stated yourself you were already in town for a different reason. You went to the local to scoop up a quick couple hundred dollars lol. I understand and all. Just... come on mannnnnn. =P

But whatever, that's what all of you guys are going to try to do for northwest majors. All I can do is deal and try to play my best. That's just how it goes. I'm really not that salty because in the end it will just advance the level of play a tad bit quicker.
 

SkaGoogle

Tailgates & Tan-lines !
Probably because one wouldn't think somebody would try to literally steal the pot bonus by having the game 2 months early. 2 months? Seriously? I can understand not banning people who played a week early. Stores break street date. Can't regulate that.

It's just weird to me that people are acting like they cant see the difference. And I think trying to find a technicality like "you should have told the TOs to ban them ahead of time," as if it's even his fault in the first place, is a justification for someone secretly playing the game 2 months ahead of time and stealing people's money during week 1.

If that's what someone has to do to get an advantage, more power to them. But don't pretend like it's not ok to think that person is being a total ass.

It would be like finding out sonicfox has actually been playing the game for 2 months once you show up to fatal 8. That would be unfair as shit.
2 months really isn't the problem, Tom streamed for 24 hours straight. The guy pretty much played non-stop, he worked for his wins. If you lose from something go back and practice. Eventually someone is going to have to catch up to the testers. while you guys are on here bitching you could be practicing.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
2 months really isn't the problem, Tom streamed for 24 hours straight. The guy pretty much played non-stop, he worked for his wins. If you lose from something go back and practice. Eventually someone is going to have to catch up to the testers. while you guys are on here bitching you could be practicing.
I don't see how anything you just said relates to this thread other than the fact the name "Tom" was listed in it.
 

SkaGoogle

Tailgates & Tan-lines !
I don't see how anything you just said relates to this thread other than the fact the name "Tom" was listed in it.
ok sure, you say it's unfair and even use an example about sonicfox and fatal 8. I say it's not unfair and level the fuck up.
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
ok sure, you say it's unfair and even use an example about sonicfox and fatal 8. I say it's not unfair and level the fuck up.
First, over a month of play time vs 4 days of play time is objectively and undeniably unfair.

Second, I didn't use sonicfox as an example for anything. It was an analogy.

And as far as leveling up goes... uhh.. yeah?
 

Azular

One of the thousand souls.
It's unfortunate, but deal with it. Testers were and are now, a good thing. It's something to look forward to when a company has faith in its competitive fans to try the game and help balance it from an outside perspective. Sure they may win a few tournaments at the beginning but, really, who cares? These aren't majors, they're just small locals and if their presence is that big of a deal, it's your fault for not having the foresight to know that someone who tested the game will likely be there. I'd much rather have a tester be at a local tournament for me so I can talk and learn from them rather than worry about some small pot bonus.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
ok sure, you say it's unfair and even use an example about sonicfox and fatal 8. I say it's not unfair and level the fuck up.
Level up speaks of the future. No one in this thread is saying they aren't going to level up in the future.

What they are saying is 3-4 days was not enough time to "level up" against a pro player who has been consistently playing the game since February. That is where the "unfair advantage" and "foul play" argument stems from, especially since it was a paid entry pot bonus tournament.


I swear some of TYM purposely misses the point in discussions.
 

Cat

This guy looks kind of tuff...
even without testing REO and TOM would have been grand finals lmao, let us be real now.
hey hey. what you trying to say about us bro?
i sent reo to losers but got blown up by his cassie in losers finals. never fought the char before lol. dude knew a ton of chars.
tom did say he had been playing for a long while like peanut said tho.
i didnt get to upset losing to them tho because i didnt care for the money as much as others, was good to get some early experience on my part.



ima just hold my L , Tho and Body Tom Later in the Game :p
#testeradvantage?
 
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SkaGoogle

Tailgates & Tan-lines !
First, over a month of play time vs 4 days of play time is objectively and undeniably unfair.
undeniably unfair ha. what has the op poster done in the 4 days that the game has been released? like I said earlier day 1 tom brady was streaming for 24 hours practicing all day. Anyone could have just watched his stream and easily have been prepared for him at this local. no excuse.