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Question - Erron Black "Put 'em up" (2,1,1,2,2) inconsistent

DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
I am loving Erron Black, BUT his put him up string is killing me. Anyone else struggling with this? Have any tips? I'll go several matches without any issues, then I will have several where the string doesn't come out at all, or maybe just half. I mean, it's more than just pressing the buttons fast right? Because I can press buttons fast with the best of them.. Still comes out inconsistently.
 

RizRaz

Errons with combos - always hot.
It's a bit weird, yeah. You either have to completely dial 21122 before 211 finishes, or you'll only get 211. 2112 also seems to only give 211. Seems to also decide "nah" if I hold a forward input even after being neutral to start at 2.

I'm getting it more consistently with practice though, haven't really had any moments that seem to be anything but my own incorrect/slow inputs.
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
if you dont press 211 only 2 will come out and if you dont 21122 then only 211 will come out. pressing 21 or 2112 wont work its just the way the string is i think there were a couple in injustice the same way, i dont use it online lol
 

DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
if you dont press 211 only 2 will come out and if you dont 21122 then only 211 will come out. pressing 21 or 2112 wont work its just the way the string is i think there were a couple in injustice the same way, i dont use it online lol
lol yeah, I cut it from my bnb's online. I just use f22 tackle or caltrops instead
 

Jay Rupp

Human Smoke or Riot
It's a bit weird, yeah. You either have to completely dial 21122 before 211 finishes, or you'll only get 211. 2112 also seems to only give 211. Seems to also decide "nah" if I hold a forward input even after being neutral to start at 2.
DUDE, I'm in the same fucking boat. It seems like the input windows change everytime.

I'm getting it more consistently with practice though, haven't really had any moments that seem to be anything but my own incorrect/slow inputs.
 

PoliceBrutality

Let's go green!!!!
The other issue too is that the animation doesnt match the button press. So try not to go by that and just dial the whole thing in. This is my biggest issue right now. Second one is the grab having almost the same input as the sword in Outlaw. Im gonna keep practicing these two and hopefully i'll get the muscle memory sooner than later.
 

DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
QUOTE="PoliceBrutality, post: 1663815, member: 1768"]The other issue too is that the animation doesnt match the button press. So try not to go by that and just dial the whole thing in. This is my biggest issue right now. Second one is the grab having almost the same input as the sword in Outlaw. Im gonna keep practicing these two and hopefully i'll get the muscle memory sooner than later.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm puzzled by "put em up". In combo its hard enough to hit midscreeb.. But throw in the fact that every other attempt then input won't come out.. Damn it! And I couldn't agree more about the tackle/sword stab. I rarely have the sword come out instead anymore though. How you liking erron black? Better than stryker right?? :) I'm actually playing kung kin and erron black rather than jax.. For now.
 
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RizRaz

Errons with combos - always hot.
Strangest thing I've found with 21122 is that we have the established rule that you need to dial 211 for 211, and 21122 for 21122/2112 and that dialing 2112 will only give you 211. With that confusion out of the way, the strange part is that if you dial 211 and try to tick throw for a dbf2 and screw up the timing, you get 21122 WITHOUT the second 2 input.
 

Captain Oxygen

The end of one combo is the beginning of another
Simply put, 21 and 2112 arent strings. If you look in-game it lists strings for 211 and 21122, but no 21 and 2112.
You have to input 211 or 21122 and cancel on the first hit of 211 or 21122 if you wanna cancel them.
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
can we talk about how this character has a tick throw set up off of each of the three middle hits in this string?
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
which ones, need to start incorporating. Raw command grab isn't gonna cut a month from now
If the string is 21122 then the 1,1,and 2 in the middle can all be cancelled into command grab on block and the grab will connect. You have to input 211xxcommand grab to get both 1 and 1 to come out but depending on when you input the grab it will cancel on the first or second 1
 

Jim

Emperor of the Moon
Strangest thing I've found with 21122 is that we have the established rule that you need to dial 211 for 211, and 21122 for 21122/2112 and that dialing 2112 will only give you 211. With that confusion out of the way, the strange part is that if you dial 211 and try to tick throw for a dbf2 and screw up the timing, you get 21122 WITHOUT the second 2 input.
Are you sure about that? Have you done it in practice with the inputs displayed?
 

Jim

Emperor of the Moon
There are alot of strings like that, like Kung Laos 112121
Don't think you get what I'm asking. I know how the string works. @RizRaz said that you can press 211 then attempt the command grab and only press 2 one time but get the complete 21122 string. I have not been able to do this and wanted to make sure that he wasn't actually hitting 2 twice while trying to mash out the grab.
 

EVB_VenDeTTa

Still Glad You Were Born?!
@DanableLector i had the same exact problem. I main King Jin and I've been searching for a secondary main and I noticed that as well. I would put the inputs fast... Nothing. If try it slower and still nothing. Although after a few tried it did happen to work and it seems like you have to press it in an awkward way.
But that's just me.
 

RizRaz

Errons with combos - always hot.
Don't think you get what I'm asking. I know how the string works. @RizRaz said that you can press 211 then attempt the command grab and only press 2 one time but get the complete 21122 string. I have not been able to do this and wanted to make sure that he wasn't actually hitting 2 twice while trying to mash out the grab.
Haven't checked it in training but it was absolutely happening in an online session against a friend. I even asked him to stop and block so I could do the inputs precisely to make sure I wasn't mashing 2 for the grab and not noticing, but nope. 211xxdb4 was still coming out as a 21122 if I missed the correct buffer. I'll have to test it out in training mode when I get the chance, it could be an online compensation thing, or it could've been a little bit of lag.
 

DanableLector

UPR DanableLector
@oNe87_VenDeTTa Hah! I also main Kung Jin. Well I can't say that really for certain. More like co main with erron black and jax. Anyway, with a lot of practice ive kind of got it down, and honest to god.. I can't really explain what it is. If I get anything to come out after the initial 2 I'm good. I have to warm up to play erron black lol.. Get my fingers ready for that brutal string.
 

rehti

Noob
Haven't checked it in training but it was absolutely happening in an online session against a friend. I even asked him to stop and block so I could do the inputs precisely to make sure I wasn't mashing 2 for the grab and not noticing, but nope. 211xxdb4 was still coming out as a 21122 if I missed the correct buffer. I'll have to test it out in training mode when I get the chance, it could be an online compensation thing, or it could've been a little bit of lag.
do you have release check on or off? I bet the second 2 comes from releasing the 2 if you have it on.
 

Jim

Emperor of the Moon
do you have release check on or off? I bet the second 2 comes from releasing the 2 if you have it on.
I checked that too. So far I am not able to reproduce this. I still suspect it is just a quick double tap without realizing it. @RizRaz one other thing you can do is if it happens again go to match replays and watch the match with inputs on to see what you pressed.
 

PoliceBrutality

Let's go green!!!!
Yeah, I'm puzzled by "put em up". In combo its hard enough to hit midscreeb.. But throw in the fact that every other attempt then input won't come out.. Damn it! And I couldn't agree more about the tackle/sword stab. I rarely have the sword come out instead anymore though. How you liking erron black? Better than stryker right?? :) I'm actually playing kung kin and erron black rather than jax.. For now.
Funny im also messing around with Kung Jin and it's as if he has to strict timing whatsoever. Doing kombos with him in the Bojustu variation feels like a breeze compare to EB. And Yes! EB is light years better than Stryker. I still cant fully enjoy him because I dont have a consistent BnB with him :(
 
Hey All, my first post! Loving this character and appreciating all the useful info on the board.

A simple and consistent method for inputting this combo (assuming your using a pad) is to slide your thumb from 2 to 1, then slide from 1 to 2, then tap 2, all in quick succession. If you want to cancel it then make sure to delay the cancel slightly.
 

rehti

Noob
Hey All, my first post! Loving this character and appreciating all the useful info on the board.

A simple and consistent method for inputting this combo (assuming your using a pad) is to slide your thumb from 2 to 1, then slide from 1 to 2, then tap 2, all in quick succession. If you want to cancel it then make sure to delay the cancel slightly.
You are right about the sliding. You slide from 2 to 1 then slide again from 1 to 2 and press 2..

Now what about the Tarkatan poke (B2-1) and double poke (B2-1-1)? Why cant we finish the string if the B2 is blocked? It looks the same as F2-2 & F2-2-2 but we can only finish the string with F2 and not B2.. strange..