The Death of Zoning in Injustice: GAU

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

This post is hilarious you quoted a guy who knows what zoning is then agree with him. Then go on to show you have no clue what zoning is by agreeing with dave.

-_-

So...me having no clue amounts to: two DLC being released concurrently whose fundamental build revolves almost completely around undermining zoning...all of the already multi-faceted characters before the patch - Superman, Black Adam, Green Lantern, Batman, and Aquaman, arguably the 5 best characters in the game as far as being able to fight both up close AND at a distance - being left all but completely untouched while DS now has to make his bones all over again in THEIR ranks when he was perfectly capable of doing so in his previous state...other characters in his category like Sinestro and Catwoman getting buffed for more or less no discernable reason...

Once again: The problem isn't that we can't make due or win. The problem is it made no sense.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

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I HAVE to catch up w PL on our training

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[Ninj]

EXACTLY.
And that is all this man is trying to say.
Before, Slade truly was the best at what he did. He wasn't overpowered, he wasn't Kabal, not even fucking close, he just happened to be the most adept at the one tactic of fighters that apparently everyone loves to hate. Now, he has - still - unjustifiably been deprived of that title and relegated to a completely different corner of the IGAU metagame. The problem isn't he isn't viable, the problem is that Dave himself is inherently a zoner at heart, and follows suit in every fighter he plays, and he's infuriated that many another character were either left untouched or dropped via DLC that are just as powerful by virtue of their tools as old DS was before, if not more so. The character that fit best into his niche of play was pretty much forced to change from the ground up and become a type of character that, while still capable and quick in different rights, can no longer hold the same high tier amidst his comrades that he did before.
He isn't tirading on his own behalf. He's doing it because many others, like myself - yes, I'm still maining Deathstroke, adapting, growing, winning, etc., but at the heart of the argument I still agree with him 100% - believe as he believes, and want to keep our fellow outright or secretive zoning brethren/masters on the same page, regardless of how many people may want to smother the argument or act as though there's no reason for anyone to be flustered. ESPECIALLY with Hanzo's arrival.

Dave is a spammer at heart. He's proved that with how he played Freddy. He dropped skarlet immediately when she lost her over powered daggers. He is not a zoner.

Spamming is when you use the same tactics and do not adapt based on differing circumstances. Watch archived play from Dave at any tournament. Projectile, projectile, projectile, teleport. He'll do this the entire time, every match. That's spamming.

Zoning is adapting your tactics to push your opponent into vulnerable situations. Learning a frame tap (air claw blocked means guaranteed ground spike in mk9) IS NOT ZONING. THIS IS NOT SKILL.

Stop propping Dave up as some zoning God. Just stop. Please.

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[MorbidAltruism]

Dave is a spammer at heart. He's proved that with how he played Freddy. He dropped skarlet immediately when she lost her over powered daggers. He is not a zoner.

Spamming is when you use the same tactics and do not adapt based on differing circumstances. Watch archived play from Dave at any tournament. Projectile, projectile, projectile, teleport. He'll do this the entire time, every match. That's spamming.

Zoning is adapting your tactics to push your opponent into vulnerable situations. Learning a frame tap (air claw blocked means guaranteed ground spike in mk9) IS NOT ZONING. THIS IS NOT SKILL.

Stop propping Dave up as some zoning God. Just stop. Please.

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To be honest they are pretty much the same thing... the only difference is intent.

 

[Ninj]

To be honest they are pretty much the same thing.

They so aren't.

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[MorbidAltruism]

They so aren't.

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I don't know about that... I think you can use the words interchangeably if you want. I think Zoning is more FG specific... but to be honest if you are Zoning with projectiles you are spamming projectiles. But I guess Zoning isn't always projectiles. So my bad.

 

[jaym7018]

-_-

So...me having no clue amounts to: two DLC being released concurrently whose fundamental build revolves almost completely around undermining zoning...all of the already multi-faceted characters before the patch - Superman, Black Adam, Green Lantern, Batman, and Aquaman, arguably the 5 best characters in the game as far as being able to fight both up close AND at a distance - being left all but completely untouched while DS now has to make his bones all over again in THEIR ranks when he was perfectly capable of doing so in his previous state...other characters in his category like Sinestro and Catwoman getting buffed for more or less no discernable reason...

Once again: The problem isn't that we can't make due or win. The problem is it made no sense.

We already had the M2dave cryfest over Deathstroke im sure you spilledsalty tiers in that thread as well. This topic is about m2daves cryfest that zoning is dead when he clearly doesnt know what zoning is (this is clear by both his words and his play).

 

[jaym7018]

To be honest they are pretty much the same thing... the only difference is intent.

Oh my god you people are terribad they are nowhere near the same thing.

 

[jaym7018]

Dave is a spammer at heart. He's proved that with how he played Freddy. He dropped skarlet immediately when she lost her over powered daggers. He is not a zoner.

Spamming is when you use the same tactics and do not adapt based on differing circumstances. Watch archived play from Dave at any tournament. Projectile, projectile, projectile, teleport. He'll do this the entire time, every match. That's spamming.

Zoning is adapting your tactics to push your opponent into vulnerable situations. Learning a frame tap (air claw blocked means guaranteed ground spike in mk9) IS NOT ZONING. THIS IS NOT SKILL.

Stop propping Dave up as some zoning God. Just stop. Please.

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Some who finally has a fucking clue. All you have to do is watch an m2dave match and you can blatantly see he has no clue how to space his zoning he gives no fucks and just chucks non stop.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Bro we gotta get it in as well soon, what system you play on? Whats ya handle?

Xbox
Pig of the hut
ZOD of the hut

Psn
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[MagnetoHalfway]

Xbox
Pig of the hut
ZOD of the hut

Psn
Bambamguitar

Aite True, Im on both systems as well as MagnetoHalfway, Ill add you when I get a chance

 

[MorbidAltruism]

Oh my god you people are terribad they are nowhere near the same thing.

I already corrected myself do you have trouble reading?

I don't know about that... I think you can use the words interchangeably if you want. I think Zoning is more FG specific... but to be honest if you are Zoning with projectiles you are spamming projectiles. But I guess Zoning isn't always projectiles. So my bad.

There you go.

 

[Ninj]

shaowebb

Zoning isn't dead. This statement is asinine.

Please rename this thread to "I can't spam projectiles and win" or PLEASE close the thread. Please... it hurts my brain...

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[Error]

Are you serious? M2dave as well as many in this topic have proven to have no idea what zoning is.

Having seen him play, he has a pretty good idea of what zoning is, probably one of the better zoners I've seen/played.

 

[Dulllyanna]

I don't know about that... I think you can use the words interchangeably if you want. I think Zoning is more FG specific... but to be honest if you are Zoning with projectiles you are spamming projectiles. But I guess Zoning isn't always projectiles. So my bad.

No. You can zone (aka control space) with a projectile without necessarily throwing it out multiple times in a row.

 

[Faded Dreams V]

Dave is a spammer at heart. He's proved that with how he played Freddy. He dropped skarlet immediately when she lost her over powered daggers. He is not a zoner.

Spamming is when you use the same tactics and do not adapt based on differing circumstances. Watch archived play from Dave at any tournament. Projectile, projectile, projectile, teleport. He'll do this the entire time, every match. That's spamming.

Zoning is adapting your tactics to push your opponent into vulnerable situations. Learning a frame tap (air claw blocked means guaranteed ground spike in mk9) IS NOT ZONING. THIS IS NOT SKILL.

Stop propping Dave up as some zoning God. Just stop. Please.

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The sad part about this post (which may be accurate) is that if anyone agrees with you, they are indirectly trashing MK9.

A spammer made top 8 in the world championships.

 

[Zoidberg747]

-_-

So...me having no clue amounts to: two DLC being released concurrently whose fundamental build revolves almost completely around undermining zoning...all of the already multi-faceted characters before the patch - Superman, Black Adam, Green Lantern, Batman, and Aquaman, arguably the 5 best characters in the game as far as being able to fight both up close AND at a distance - being left all but completely untouched while DS now has to make his bones all over again in THEIR ranks when he was perfectly capable of doing so in his previous state...other characters in his category like Sinestro and Catwoman getting buffed for more or less no discernable reason...

Once again: The problem isn't that we can't make due or win. The problem is it made no sense.

Catwoman and DS are like opposites. No idea where you got that comparison. Also DS can still zone effectively, especially at fullscreen. He has great zoning abilities with his sword flip ender which pushes opponents towards the corner. His 323 string is a great footsie tool and also good tool at midscreen. You can still use low shots against some of the cast, just got to do your research. You can even condition opponents who can punish it by doing it, allowing them to punish, and then duck again like you are going to do it. You block their move, check them with guns, and you keep going.

Zoning IS NOT JUST ABOUT PROJECTILES. If you think DS has to use his guns to zone THEN YOU DONT GET WHAT ZONING IS.

It really irritates me that I took 2 hours to make a thread explaining what zoning actually is and how it applies to every character and it gets overshadowed by this POS thread full of whining and bitching. Shows alot about the TYM community.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

No. You can zone (aka control space) with a projectile without necessarily throwing it out multiple times in a row.

Yeah I know... I was all caught up in the technical definition of the words. I wasn't thinking about the game when I typed that out.

 

[Ninj]

The sad part about this post (which may be accurate) is that if anyone agrees with you, they are indirectly trashing MK9.

A spammer made top 8 in the world championships.

The truth can hurt. Dave is very good at spamming, but that doesn't change what he is.

He's butthurt he'll never make top 8 at a major, and that's fair. But he needs to stop crying and blaming anything besides his inability to use anything other than projectiles in fighting games.

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[jaym7018]

Having seen him play, he has a pretty good idea of what zoning is, probably one of the better zoners I've seen/played.

Oh my fucking god you are completely clueless. He spams its clear as day in his matches he throws out projectiles any time anywhere i just watched his match with cdjr where he got bodied cause he had no clue howxto zone. Even the match he won vs 16 bit was a terrible display of zoning. If you wanna watch actual good zoning watch sanford kelly play sagat.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Dave is a spammer at heart. He's proved that with how he played Freddy. He dropped skarlet immediately when she lost her over powered daggers. He is not a zoner.

Spamming is when you use the same tactics and do not adapt based on differing circumstances. Watch archived play from Dave at any tournament. Projectile, projectile, projectile, teleport. He'll do this the entire time, every match. That's spamming.

Zoning is adapting your tactics to push your opponent into vulnerable situations. Learning a frame tap (air claw blocked means guaranteed ground spike in mk9) IS NOT ZONING. THIS IS NOT SKILL.

Stop propping Dave up as some zoning God. Just stop. Please.

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THATS NOT WHAT IM DOING NINJ . Maaaaan. You know I don't take sides.
What I'm saying is I believe, IMO, his argument over Deathstroke specifically is solid. I agree with it.
There was no reason to knock him down a peg when so many others either kept their particular peg or moved up.
Beyond that, I don't care. My DS has gotten better as a result, and Scorpion is gonna make my world complete.
I am good. But that doesn't mean I dont think the things I think. It was dumb.

Either way, xFriction_Burnx and the Flash community are the ones who should be pissed right now.
I swore an oath I'd never moan over these nerfs again.

 

[jaym7018]

The sad part about this post (which may be accurate) is that if anyone agrees with you, they are indirectly trashing MK9.

A spammer made top 8 in the world championships.

I already said in this this topic the MK community is on blast for letting this fraud make top 8 at Evo in their game.

 

[Ninj]

THATS NOT WHAT IM DOING NINJ . Maaaaan. You know I don't take sides.
What I'm saying is I believe, IMO, his argument over Deathstroke specifically is solid. I agree with it.
There was no reason to knock him down a peg when so many others either kept their particular peg or moved up.
Beyond that, I don't care. My DS has gotten better as a result, and Scorpion is gonna make my world complete.
I am good. But that doesn't mean I dont think the things I think. It was dumb.

Either way, xFriction_Burnx and the Flash community are the ones who should be pissed right now.
I swore an oath I'd never moan over these nerfs again.

Sorry boxy <3 this thread is about how zoning is dead. which it isn't.

DS is still a machine even post patch. but that's not what this is about.

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[jonnzz]

In my view, zoning means putting hitboxes onto the screen to limit the opponents possibilities (first and foremost his mobility).

A second layer happens when the opponent self-removes his own possibilities because of you potentially stopping him with a hitbox (eg. an opponent will not jump because he fears an anti-air).

Anyway, zoning in Injustice is alive and well...

The game's best zoner might well be Aquaman because he can control a lot of space with his normal moves and can be extremely efficient if played in a flexible way (waiting and adapting to what the opponent does). BTW I think the most important characteristic of a zoning character is a great anti-air.

The best example of a projectile-less zoning character is SF4 dictator : no projectile but he controls so much space. Being a dictator player in SF4 (and in every game he appears in - talk of character loyalty - but he is generally more of a YOLO character) I find that Aquaman has a lot of similarity... You can play the same, with less mobility but a tracking projectile, the best defensive trait in the game and easy 40% BNB's.

 

[jaym7018]

In my view, zoning means putting hitboxes onto the screen to limit the opponents possibilities (first and foremost his mobility).

A second layer happens when the opponent self-removes his own possibilities because of you potentially stopping him with a hitbox (eg. an opponent will not jump because he fears an anti-air).

Anyway, zoning in Injustice is alive and well...

The game's best zoner might well be Aquaman because he can control a lot of space with his normal moves and can be extremely efficient if played in a flexible way (waiting and adapting to what the opponent does). BTW I think the most important characteristic of a zoning character is a great anti-air.

The best example of a projectile-less zoning character is SF4 dictator : no projectile but he controls so much space. Being a dictator player in SF4 (and in every game he appears in - talk of character loyalty - but he is generally more of a YOLO character) I find that Aquaman has a lot of similarity... You can play the same, with less mobility but a tracking projectile, the best defensive trait in the game and easy 40% BNB's.

Adon> bison if you want projectileless zoning. Better anti air similar hard kick more space control.