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National Fighting Game Ranking Idea

REO

Undead
I have an idea that would make the national fighting game rankings more accurate. I brought this up when I was discussing it with Bill the other day.

Right now the only way to obtain points is to place top 8 at a major. While this is good, I think it creates unfair scenarios such as the one below:

Player A places 9th in 5 majors. He is not in the national fighting game rankings because only top 8 receive points.

Player B places last place in 4 majors, but places 8th in one of them. He is eligible to be in the national fighting game rankings and is above player A because of how the scoring works.

Now I'm sure most can agree that Player A is an overall better player than Player B for his consistent places in majors. But going by the national fighting game rankings, Player B is considered to be the "better" player. I think this is an issue that causes some parts of the list to become inaccurate. Having players like JT Circus who were in the NFG for months when he didn't even play the game or attend majors was also silly at one point.



What do I propose as an idea for a solution?

First, players would ALWAYS receive points regardless of where they place in a major. Last place in a major is one point, for example.

Second, there should be two different rankings. The first being "current ranking" and the second being "overall ranking" next to each player's name.

"Current Ranking" would be similar to how it is now. In that it displays the points of current players who place in recent majors and remain active. Points for majors after a while will disappear, and players who become inactive will slowly have points deducted over time.

"Overall Ranking" would be what the player has done through out his tournament career at majors. It would have all his points from the first major he attended, to the very last one he attended. This way PL, for example, would still retain his EVO points in this category while simultaneously being noticed as a player who has had a strong showing and impact.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
We could make an official ranking for TYM. The other sites with lists are just sites with lists. We can create a more accurate one with the help of the community and top players as long as it's based on something solid.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
I like it...but when would this start? How do players like myself who get top 32 get points or do my past majors just not count because they didn't warent me points to begin with?

That's the problem. It would have to start from scratch to be fair which means all the current top players lose points so we all start on an even playing field. But I would prefer you method.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Ugh ive edited this 3x

First off I like your ideas

I think a current ranking is more important though because if you havent competed in a tourney or havent placed top 8 in a tourney in a long time (say like August or September) then you shouldnt be on the list because the game is ever changing and there are a new blood of players out there doing well (Death, Big D, Sawnik Fawk, Ikizzle).

I do agree points shouldnt be given to TOP 8 only, thats a little ridiculous. Maybe top 16 or a something. There are just way too many good players but ALSO if someone from this top 20 list goes to a Major and gets 64th or some lower placing i think he/she should lose points as well.

Your idea about keeping your points no matter what should be some sort of Hall of Fame overall list
 
This is a good solution, but I have a few concerns.

- Points doesn't equal to skill, or who is "better"
- You have to have some form of a deadline.
- Example: Keep track up to top 16 or 32 players
- This will work temporary because MK9 gets 'low' entrants that are manageble for the time being where the scene is getting 100+ consistent. What if in the future MK9 starts getting SF numbers or even MK10 gets big numbers? Can't keep a list of 500-1000 people.
 

REO

Undead
We could make an official ranking for TYM. The other sites with lists are just sites with lists. We can create a more accurate one with the help of the community and top players as long as it's based on something solid.
This sounds good.

I like it...but when would this start? How do players like myself who get top 32 get points or do my past majors just not count because they didn't warent me points to begin with?

That's the problem. It would have to start from scratch to be fair which means all the current top players lose points so we all start on an even playing field. But I would prefer you method.
Your past majors would count in the overall ranking scoring, that's if their time is expired for the current ranking system. The way you get points hasn't fleshed out, yet. Just the basic idea is being presented. But for example, it'd be something like:

Last place gets 1 point.
Second to last place gets 2 points, and so on.
And once you get to top 8, you can add multiples for more impact on points. So let's say a major gets a 100 players to enter, it's 100 raw points for first. 8th place would be their score + 1.5x, 7th place would be their score + 2.1x, and so on. 1st place would end up being something like 100 points + 6.0x which would result in being 600 points.

This is all just basics layouts on how we can do it, nothing is set in stone.

Ugh ive edited this 3x

First off I like your ideas

I think a current ranking is more important though because if you havent competed in a tourney or havent placed top 8 in a tourney in a long time (say like August or September) then you shouldnt be on the list because the game is ever changing and there are a new blood of players out there doing well (Death, Big D, Sawnik Fawk, Ikizzle).

I do agree points shouldnt be given to TOP 8 only, thats a little ridiculous. Maybe top 16 or a something. There are just way too many good players but ALSO if someone from this top 20 list goes to a Major and gets 64th or some lower placing i think he/she should lose points as well.

Your idea about keeping your points no matter what should be some sort of Hall of Fame overall list
Oh, I understand completely. The current ranking is the default one that is the main focus. The overall ranking is just a side thing, like if you were to click on a player's name, it'd just show their overall rankings and other stats. But the main focus of this entire thing is to go by a current ranking format with current and consistent placers. We just need a better scoring system.
 

Tolkeen

/wrists
My biggest problem with your idea REO is that there are like 3 majors in/near ny/nj because it's so small, but the other areas of the us get 1 unless you drive 7 hours. How would we account for that locational bias.


Tapatalk, helping me procrastinate.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
My biggest problem with your idea REO is that there are like 3 majors in/near ny/nj because it's so small, but the other areas of the us get 1 unless you drive 7 hours. How would we account for that locational bias.


Tapatalk, helping me procrastinate.
That problem is here regardless of the system. The current list has this problem too.
 
I think there should be a placing system for Top 16 or Top 32. You get the usual points for placing in 1-32, but once you've placed, you lose points for not showing up. So in the long run, in active players will go down in Ranking while active top 32 placing players will Rank Up.

Example: Lose 1 point for inactivity.

Player A wins EVO, gets 50 points, stops showing up to next 5 major Tournaments.
Player B shows up to the next 5 Tournaments gets 1st, earns 10 points each, so has a total of 50 points while the EVO guy is at 45, they are still both top players but the active player is considered higher priority.

Just a rough concept. And I know not every player can go to majors so deducting is not fair BUT it's one point, it hardly affects you UNLESS you let it start building up than it will effect you in the longrun.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Premium Supporter
My biggest problem with your idea REO is that there are like 3 majors in/near ny/nj because it's so small, but the other areas of the us get 1 unless you drive 7 hours. How would we account for that locational bias.
That problem is here regardless of the system. The current list has this problem too.
I understand that, but he's trying to make a better system, so why wouldn't I bring this up? The squeeky wheel gets the grease, and all that jazz.
If we were to make our own official TYM rankings here's something we could do. We could list all the majors in an area/region (eg. NE, SE, Mid West, NW, SW, etc) and depending on how many are in each region will determine how many points you get for getting top 8. For instance, if the NE has 5 majors where the others have 2 or less, the NE majors will be 100 points for first where the others would be 250 points for first. But we would also take into consideration how many entrants there is for the tournament. That's just an idea of something similar we could do.

Having a TYM ranking list will really be better than the other lists that are out there right now... imo.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
There should be a TYM/Kombat Network/collective braintrust of MK intended to endorse or pass on whether or not certain events will warrant points or not, or how many points Show A will be worth over Show B, even its just a few at a time at a smaller local, or a good chunk at a bigger show, etc.
 

Linkuei82

Live by the sword, Die by the sword
I think the losing points sound silly. Then what would be the point of overall ranking? So if a tournament is going on and a person can't attend they lose points? I think it should just stick with you just don't get any points and if you continue not to consistently attend. You will lose your spot in the current rankings and for the ones that keeps attend will take your place. However we can still see your accomplishment in the overall rankings like Rep said.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I think the losing points sound silly. Then what would be the point of overall ranking? So if a tournament is going on and a person can't attend they lose points? I think it should just stick with you just don't get any points and if you continue not to consistently attend. You will lose your spot in the current rankings and for the ones that keeps attend will take your place. However we can still see your accomplishment in the overall rankings like Rep said.
What i was saying is If a top 20 players gets beat by an unknown/unranked player and that top player doesnt make top 8 or 16 in the final standings then he/she should lose points
 
Recurring Majors with where they are held...

EAST COAST:
1. Winter Brawl - Philly, PA
2. Summer Jam - Philly, PA
3. NEC - Philly, PA
4. ECT - NJ
5. Final Round - Atlanta, GA
6. CEO - Orlando, FL

MIDWEST:
1. Power Up - OH
2. UFGT - Chicago, IL
3. Texas Showdown - Houston, TX

WEST COAST:
1. SCR - CA
2. NCR - CA
3. West Coast Warzone - CA
4. EVO - Los Vegas, NV
5. Devastation - Phoenix, AZ
 
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16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
I don't think players should lose points for having a bad tournament. These days pools are stacked, the only people still entering MK tournaments are solid players. It's not fair to punish someone for losing to an unknown either. If an unknown beats a top player then it turns out the unknown is good and will now by known. You wouldn't have docked the guys that lost to Ikizzle at FR.

If someone has fallen off in skill and is never doing well they'll naturally lower in rank anyway.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Premium Supporter
Recurring Majors with the are they are held...

EAST COAST:
1. Winter Brawl - Philly, PA
2. Summer Jam - Philly, PA
3. NEC - Philly, PA
4. ECT - NJ
5. Final Round - Atlanta, GA
6. CEO - Orlando, FL

MIDWEST:
1. Power Up - OH
2. UFGT - Chicago, IL
3. Texas Showdown - Houston, TX

WEST COAST:
1. SCR - CA
2. NCR - CA
3. West Coast Warzone - CA
4. EVO - Los Vegas, NV
5. Devastation - Phoenix, AZ

With this we need to divide East and West coast to NE/SE and NW/SW. NY to GA is a pretty long ways, like wise with Nor Cal to SoCal.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Recurring Majors with the are they are held...

EAST COAST:
1. Winter Brawl - Philly, PA
2. Summer Jam - Philly, PA
3. NEC - Philly, PA
4. ECT - NJ
5. Final Round - Atlanta, GA
6. CEO - Orlando, FL

MIDWEST:
1. Power Up - OH
2. UFGT - Chicago, IL
3. Texas Showdown - Houston, TX

WEST COAST:
1. SCR - CA
2. NCR - CA
3. West Coast Warzone - CA
4. EVO - Los Vegas, NV
5. Devastation - Phoenix, AZ

Wow

Thank you so much for this

Maybe now people will stop complaining about the "NORTH EAST HAS SO MANY MAJORS"

You forgot Dromstruction on West Coast

I never wanna hear a WC person complain ever again (ie: Wonder Chef)
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I don't think players should lose points for having a bad tournament. These days pools are stacked, the only people still entering MK tournaments are solid players. It's not fair to punish someone for losing to an unknown either. If an unknown beats a top player then it turns out the unknown is good and will now by known. You wouldn't have docked the guys that lost to Ikizzle at FR.

If someone has fallen off in skill and is never doing well they'll naturally lower in rank anyway.
Yea good point