Question - Goro Why does Goro need buffs?

[Nuovo_Cabjoy]

More HA on SG and EX telestomp pls. A bar for 12% and a neutral reset and opponent pushed half screen away isn't great for Goro at all.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

I totally agree with this, This is why when I posted my buff wishlist I was very careful. If they give him something he definitely doesn't need then its GGs.

With much respect RyRy I ask you; doesn't that statement apply to every character that has ever existed in a fighting game? You could buff any character to broken but that doesn't mean they should leave Goro at the bottom of the tier list.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

Goro was Grand Master of Mortal Kombat for 500 years. He lost in the grand finals of his tenth tournament to Lui Kang. This gives him at least a 99/1 win/loss ratio in Mortal Kombat tournaments. A literal fight to the death against a wide variety of the world's greatest kombatants. Meanwhile Alien gets zoned out by Sigourney Weaver.

 

[God Confirm]

Goro was Grand Master of Mortal Kombat for 500 years. He lost in the grand finals of his tenth tournament to Lui Kang. This gives him at least a 99/1 win/loss ratio in Mortal Kombat tournaments. A literal fight to the death against a wide variety of the world's greatest kombatants. Meanwhile Alien gets zoned out by Sigourney Weaver.

she just turtles all round

 

[honeybooboo]

Lets assume nrs nerfs, whom you consider, s-tier in the upcoming patch. Where does current goro stand?

 

[Shade667]

Lets assume nrs nerfs, whom you consider, s-tier in the upcoming patch. Where does current goro stand?

Still bottom 10. The gap will be tighter though.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

she just turtles all round

I've heard that the S in S-tier stands for Sigourney.

 

[The_Tile]

What top 8's do you see Goro in, ever? Scratch that, what top 16 or even top 32 do you see Goro in, ever? The answer is 0, because he's been in none of them.

If anyone uses this argument they usually get crucified regardless of whether what they're saying is correct or not. Just found it amusing no one seems care now King says it.

 

[juicepouch]

If anyone uses this argument they usually get crucified regardless of whether what they're saying is correct or not. Just found it amusing no one seems care now King says it.

I think we're all willing to make an exception because Goro is bad

 

[CrazyFingers]

I think we're all willing to make an exception because Goro is bad

That's so inconsistent it's gross

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

If anyone uses this argument they usually get crucified regardless of whether what they're saying is correct or not. Just found it amusing no one seems care now King says it.

Statistics do matter. Especially when those statistics are competition results and you are arguing about whether or not a character is competitive. In this case, the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Statistics do matter. Especially when those statistics are competition results and you are arguing about whether or not a character is competitive. In this case, the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence.

Absence of evidence can't be used as evidence, that's now how proof works.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Granted im not saying Goro doesn't need help but let's keep shit consistent at least once on this site

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

Absence of evidence can't be used as evidence, that's now how proof works.

It can depending on the perspective of the argument. Goro's absence from top 16s is statistical evidence that he is not as competitive as characters who are seen consistently in top 8s. Therefore the absence of statistical evidence proving he is competitive is evidence that he is not.

 

[CrazyFingers]

It can depending on the perspective of the argument. Goro's absence from top 16s is statistical evidence that he is not as competitive as characters who are seen consistently in top 8s. Therefore the absence of statistical evidence proving he is competitive is evidence that he is not.

Idk about that but to each their own.

 

[ForeverKing]

If anyone uses this argument they usually get crucified regardless of whether what they're saying is correct or not. Just found it amusing no one seems care now King says it.

The thing is, I didn't say top 8 only. I also said top 16, and top 32.

It's one thing if a character never sees top 8, but at least every other tournament you see a character loyalist get close to top 8 with that character.

But it's whole different thing entirely when a character NEVER sees top 16, and NEVER sees top 32. Like how bad does a character have to be to not at least get top 32 ever, not even once?

 

[CrazyFingers]

The thing is, I didn't say top 8 only. I also said top 16, and top 32.

It's one thing if a character never sees top 8, but at least every other tournament you see a character loyalist get close to top 8 with that character.

But it's whole different thing entirely when a character NEVER sees top 16, and NEVER sees top 32. Like how bad does a character have to be to not at least get top 32 ever, not even once?

Oh hey look, logical explanations. Thanks King

 

[CrazyFingers]

It can depending on the perspective of the argument. Goro's absence from top 16s is statistical evidence that he is not as competitive as characters who are seen consistently in top 8s. Therefore the absence of statistical evidence proving he is competitive is evidence that he is not.

Wait I think I get what you mean now, I get it and I agree in some cases that does apply

 

[Alright RyRy]

With much respect RyRy I ask you; doesn't that statement apply to every character that has ever existed in a fighting game? You could buff any character to broken but that doesn't mean they should leave Goro at the bottom of the tier list.

of course, the buffs I listed are simply buffs to give him some tools very commonly found in this game.

I totally understand the character variety and not giving every character the same tool, but it's hard to fathom how a character like Goro can go so long in a games life with some of the tools he has when other characters out class him by a mile.

imo Goro is the worst rushdown character in the game (ie Johnny, D'Vorah, Jax, Liu, Jacqui etc..)

Jason is a better Goro, Jason does everything better imo. So why even pick Goro. This is where it gets tricky when you buff / nerf characters.

Every character should have bad MUs, Goro should still be getting zoned out, but it seems like as of right now every character with a projectile beats Goro or makes it hard.

 

[CrazyFingers]

of course, the buffs I listed are simply buffs to give him some tools very commonly found in this game.

I totally understand the character variety and not giving every character the same tool, but it's hard to fathom how a character like Goro can go so long in a games life with some of the tools he has when other characters out class him by a mile.

imo Goro is the worst rushdown character in the game (ie Johnny, D'Vorah, Jax, Liu, Jacqui etc..)

Jason is a better Goro, Jason does everything better imo. So why even pick Goro. This is where it gets tricky when you buff / nerf characters.

Every character should have bad MUs, Goro should still be getting zoned out, but it seems like as of right now every character with a projectile beats Goro or makes it hard.

Because apparently breathing fire takes a lot of time to muster out of you and by a lot of time I mean like 8 years...damn startups on Tigrar...

 

[THTB]

The thing is, I didn't say top 8 only. I also said top 16, and top 32.

It's one thing if a character never sees top 8, but at least every other tournament you see a character loyalist get close to top 8 with that character.

But it's whole different thing entirely when a character NEVER sees top 16, and NEVER sees top 32. Like how bad does a character have to be to not at least get top 32 ever, not even once?

Almost no one even bothers with the character, and the ones that do either don't go to majors often enough or are not really strong enough of players to do so. People forget that this community is very small. There's LOTS of characters that don't see tournament use, my main included. I can't recall the last time I even saw a top 32 Reptile. Does that mean he's bad? Hell no...hell I've been very up on him and think if nothing changes about him, he's a shoo-in for top 10.

That said, while I didn't know much about Goro when I played one last night, playing a lengthy set and reading some of the info here makes me see he's not very strong. Really meter reliant to be a decent threat, and his risk reward is pretty against him. Obnoxious character to play, though, if you don't know what's going on.

 

[BunLantern]

I don't really want to be part of the debate but I just wanted to share something I love about Goro.

It's really wonderful when I land a raw punchwalk on a jumping opponent just for it to drop after one hit and then Goro keeps punchwalking at air and I get full combo punished FOR MAKING THE RIGHT READ!

It really makes me cherish the times when landing punchwalk doesn't fuck me.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Almost no one even bothers with the character, and the ones that do either don't go to majors often enough or are not really strong enough of players to do so. People forget that this community is very small. There's LOTS of characters that don't see tournament use, my main included. I can't recall the last time I even saw a top 32 Reptile. Does that mean he's bad? Hell no...hell I've been very up on him and think if nothing changes about him, he's a shoo-in for top 10.

That said, while I didn't know much about Goro when I played one last night, playing a lengthy set and reading some of the info here makes me see he's not very strong. Really meter reliant to be a decent threat, and his risk reward is pretty against him. Obnoxious character to play, though, if you don't know what's going on.

He is probably the best Noob Slayer ever because he looks like this impossible wall of death you need to get past

 

[CrazyFingers]

NOT THAT YOURE A NOOB. <3

 

[Colest]

Goro could use hitbox fixes, a KW specific buff since that variation is booty, and maybe a buff for his green fireball since it's worthless.

He might even need nerfs on his safety depending on how much this patch wants to change.

I don't agree he has good damage. It's mediocre at best, possibly even a weakness of his.