General/Other - Smoke XL Robo Smoke Discussion Thread

[boba_buster]

Never know when u will need that ex phase

 

[Matix218]

It's reactable , maybe not so much online but it is , I was playing a local friend of mine online last night and I could visibly see him crouch blocking and standing to block the oh

Wouldn't delaying the low a frame or two blow that up though? It is still a vortex if you have options to counter the fuzzy

 

[boba_buster]

Wouldn't delaying the low a frame or two blow that up though? It is still a vortex if you have options to counter the fuzzy

Yes

 

[Smarrgasm]

@boba_buster weve already talked about this.

There is no human on this earth who is reacting to that overhead and blocking it consistently. Your friend simply has a read on you if that's the case.

And again if you're worried about fuzzing which is what he actually seems to be doing you should delay the low slightly to catch his stand up.

 

[MajinBerserker]

OH/Low/Throw- absolutely no one is reacting & blocking correctly every single time. And you can delay those options. His vortex is extremely solid.

Sometimes people just GUESS right! Why does no one seem to consider this? That's the game.

 

[MajinBerserker]

@boba_buster weve already talked about this.

There is no human on this earth who is reacting to that overhead and blocking it consistently. Your friend simply has a read on you if that's the case.

And again if you're worried about fuzzing which is what he actually seems to be doing you should delay the low slightly to catch his stand up.

This. The delayed low is legit and should be implemented by all.
Slips does this with Scorpion's 50/50. It definitely is effective and Smoke can do the same.

 

[Smarrgasm]

This. The delayed low is legit and should be implemented by all.
Slips does this extremely well with Scorpion in our casual sessions.

Same. I play scorpion and if we are able to make a 25+ frame overhead work then smoke whos is a true vortex can make an 18 frame one work.

 

[boba_buster]

Dude this argument has been going on for years , do t you ppl know how to agree to disagree?

 

[MajinBerserker]

Same. I play scorpion and if we are able to make a 25+ frame overhead work then smoke whos is a true vortex can make an 18 frame one work.

I couldn't remember how much slower Scorp's OH was. Thanks! And yeah, if that works....Smoke is sitting pretty.
I still play a little Mileena and that 30f OH gets used. Lol.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

I just don't think he does enough damage per rep. Besides that it's solid.

Anyways, what's your guys corner damage? Im getting 32 meterlessly or 30 meterlessly w the 1112 hkd.

 

[MajinBerserker]

I just don't think he does enough damage per rep. Besides that it's solid.

Anyways, what's your guys corner damage? Im getting 32 meterlessly or 30 meterlessly w the 1112 hkd.

With the vortex options he has, more damage would be dumb. It's pretty safe, and meterless in the corner.
I personally get from 28-33% in the corner, if I keep the vortex going. 30-35% if I end in, say, F43-Tele or Air Grab. Meterless.

 

[Matix218]

Dude this argument has been going on for years , do t you ppl know how to agree to disagree?

But there is not really any argument on your side. Smoke has a true vortex even if you can fuzzy guard it when done on the first frame. It is not reactable. If the low is delayed you will not react to that if you are trying to fuzzy and you will be hit. I don't understand what you are trying to get at. This IS A VORTEX. It is not visually reactable.

 

[boba_buster]

But there is not really any argument on your side. Smoke has a true vortex even if you can fuzzy guard it when done on the first frame. It is not reactable. If the low is delayed you will not react to that if you are trying to fuzzy and you will be hit. I don't understand what you are trying to get at. This IS A VORTEX. It is not visually reactable.

Your are absolutely right about delaying the b3 , other than that I'm not gonna sit here and try to validate an age old discussion

 

[boba_buster]

And now we're on to discussing something useful...

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

With the vortex options he has, more damage would be dumb. It's pretty safe, and meterless in the corner.
I personally get from 28-33% in the corner, if I keep the vortex going. 30-35% if I end in, say, F43-Tele or Air Grab. Meterless.

What combo is netting you 35??? I needs that lol

 

[Matix218]

Your are absolutely right about delaying the b3 , other than that I'm not gonna sit here and try to validate an age old discussion

There is no age old discussion though. If you CAN visually react to a mixup to the point where you can see an overhead or low, comprehend what you saw and be able to have your brain tell your hands which buttons to press in order to block it then it is not a vortex.

If you are guessing to block high or low and cannot visually react, it is a vortex.

delaying the low is part of the vortex but it certainly doesn't make it any less of a vortex. Ultimately you are still guessing overhead or low and if you guess wrong you will be eating a combo into that same guessing game. That LITERALLY is the definition of a vortex in a fighting game.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Meter management is a big concern with smoke

Says the guy doing ex invisibility into a 50/50 lol

 

[Harlequin969]

And here I am just wishing my meterless vortex consistent

 

[MajinBerserker]

What combo is netting you 35??? I needs that lol

I'll have to lab it at home later, but it'd be off a punish on the corner with S4. I tested out a bunch of different corner punish combos.
4-Spear-jip-4-Smoke Bomb.... Something along those lines. Not exactly something you'll always get, but it's possible. S4 is a great combo starter if you can use it for a punish.

And I'll def hold that it it's only 33-34%, heh. Pretty sure I remember seeing 35, though. My main point is, 30+ meterless damage in the corner ain't bad, considering you can get the vortex started, as well.

 

[Matix218]

I'll have to lab it at home later, but it'd be off a punish on the corner with S4. I tested out a bunch of different corner punish combos.
4-Spear-jip-4-Smoke Bomb.... Something along those lines. Not exactly something you'll always get, but it's possible. S4 is a great combo starter if you can use it for a punish.

And I'll def hold that it it's only 33-34%, heh. Pretty sure I remember seeing 35, though. My main point is, 30+ meterless damage in the corner ain't bad, considering you can get the vortex started, as well.

What are the startup frames for s4?

 

[MrSunshine]

I go for f4d1 in the netural. You can hit confirm into 2 for a launch or a smoke away if you input f4d1 fast enough

 

[boba_buster]

Says the guy doing ex invisibility into a 50/50 lol

Not my fault you can't read dude , where u been ?I figured u dropped smoke already

 

[MajinBerserker]

What are the startup frames for s4?

Mmm, I want to say 10f.

But I'm not at home to check the game, so don't hold me to that. Could be 11-12f.

 

[xKhaoTik]

What are the startup frames for s4?

11f

 

[Matix218]

Mmm, I want to say 10f.

But I'm not at home to check the game, so don't hold me to that. Could be 11-12f.

Yeah im at work so I can't check. Just curious as to how minus of a move your opponent would need to use in order to punish with s4