General/Other - Tanya Tanya SHOULD be normalized.

[Vak Phoenix]

what is the meaning of this?!!!!!

 

[RunwayMafia]

Very few people use Pyromancer, which may actually be Tanya's best variation, so people are not aware of Dark Shroud's effectiveness.

This is true.

I've recently been playing around with Pyro and I love it. Dark shroud is amazing, as I'm sure you know.

Also, in regards to the F4 and F4,3, a well timed backdash escapes the 3. I'm in the lab now.

 

[deg222]

I was just curious because I'm making a B2/Swing Kick spacing guide (including all the armored wake ups that SK can stuff) and didnt know if I should tag you.

Yeah sure, tag meh.

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

BULLSH!T character, but I'll let the commentary in this thread speak for itself.

 

[Prinz]

Removing invincibility to physical attacks will do the work, start-up doesn't need to be changed in that case. I'd take that, plus some 3-5% damage decrease to combos in DN. Enhanced teleport is a very good tool, I don't think it needs to be touched. I'd rather see NRS give every char such a tool than take it away from anyone. Make Kano's upball enhanced invincible and plus on block NRS. JUST DO IT! YES YOU CAN!

 

[just_2swift]

Well, Raidens problem isn't that displacer is crap, it's that TG outclasses it completely... But at the end of the day, Tanya is a character whose gameplay revolves around her Teleport, Raiden around his lightning strings, their variations should add different tools to complement their gameplay focus, it's ok that he doesn't have Tanya's teleport on top of all this IMO.


I think even without options selects he is top 3 quite easily. In my opinon. He's really damn strong

You stated something on the lines of lightning strings. Thought raiden had more variations outside of thunder God. Not asking for buffs or nerfs. Not asking for him to have the same teleports as Tanya just pointing out facts that the variation system is flawed it's self. Raiden is a prime example of this fact simply because of the change to his f1. Trying to balance one tool that is strong in one variation but at the same time hitting the other two a lot harder is without question well... fucked up. It's going to be interesting how NRS goes about fixing characters or variations in the near future.

 

[Vak Phoenix]

one thing i dont understand is that, why do you guys consider variations to be characters? "im grandmaster main, im unbreakable main" if you are committing to play a character play all 3 variations, thats why they are there for... there is no best variation for a character, the variations are depended on match ups since they are so different, im sure you all know. so why dont you master the character (all 3 variations) and then say what needs to be buffed or nerfed, not that i care honestly, cause bitching and complaining on this site has gotten all of my mains to get nerfed in every NRS game. so its bound to happen to Tanya cause of yall. ill be sitting and finding new tech as usual.

p.s Mileena rips apart pyromancer. but Kobu Jutsu tears down Mileena.

 

[Superi0rMagik]

I'm assuming NRS was inspired by Decapre!

 

[M2Dave]

Also, in regards to the F4 and F4,3, a well timed backdash escapes the 3. I'm in the lab now.

Then stop after f+4 and do another f+4, which catches backdashing.

Some characters, and I am still experimenting, can jump back, which you can punish with an EX forward teleport.

I have talked about f+4 and f+4,3 extensively in the Tanya Illuminati Group. I will add you.

 

[just_2swift]

Lol. No, I understood your point, I just dont understand the logic of, "Humpf boo hoo. Why does Tanya have such a good teleport and not Raiden!!!???"

That's just how NRS/Paulo decided to design her.

#BuffDisplacerRaiden

So far everything you posted on behalf of what I said shows that you clearly lack common sense or comprehension. Never asked for buffs I call bull shit when I see it.

 

[M2Dave]

Mileena rips apart pyromancer.

Highly doubtful considering Tanya can do more than spam fireballs.

Also, NRS has done a very good job balancing the top tier characters. I trust they will treat Tanya fairly.

 

[RunwayMafia]

So far everything you posted on behalf of what I said shows that you clearly lack common sense or comprehension. Never asked for buffs I call bull shit when I see it.

Oh, I must have forgotten to add the pic of that cute little dog face. Dearest me!

Ugh.

 

[just_2swift]

Oh, I must have forgotten to add the pic of that cute little dog face. Dearest me!

Ugh.

.... hi

 

[Vak Phoenix]

Highly doubtful considering Tanya can do more than spam fireballs.

Also, NRS has done a very good job balancing the top tier characters. I trust they will treat Tanya fairly.

no, i play pyromancer as well, mileena shuts down our zoning game, and since the fact that tanya has only 1 realible mid that is f2 she can do what upclose, f2 tele cancel f2 tele cancel f2 dark shroud or go or b3 1 shroud. you are forced to use meter upclose against mileena and cannot run away from her. fighting her up close is very tricky since tanya consists of highs, and 2 minds and 1 low. 1 mid is not even special cancellable and and has a crazy gap. and low has a gap too. anyhow you do lets say f2 dark shroud and mileena blocks it, then both of you armor, tanya does armored shroud mileena does armored roll, mileena wins since her roll hits 2 times and breaks shrouds armor. you are forced to block after mileena blocks your dark shroud, she shuts down your runaway game rolls under all highs. 2, 3, 1, 4. i played a lot of pyromancer vs mileena matches. A LOT! and this is what i experienced. oh and sometimes 2nd hit of her f2 whiffs on crouching opponents.

 

[Zoidberg747]

no, i play pyromancer as well, mileena shuts down our zoning game, and since the fact that tanya has only 1 realible mid that is f2 she can do what upclose, f2 tele cancel f2 tele cancel f2 dark shroud or go or b3 1 shroud. you are forced to use meter upclose against mileena and cannot run away from her. fighting her up close is very tricky since tanya consists of highs, and 2 minds and 1 low. 1 mid is not even special cancellable and and has a crazy gap. and low has a gap too. anyhow you do lets say f2 dark shroud and mileena blocks it, then both of you armor, tanya does armored shroud mileena does armored roll, mileena wins since her roll hits 2 times and breaks shrouds armor. you are forced to block after mileena blocks your dark shroud, she shuts down your runaway game rolls under all highs. 2, 3, 1, 4. i played a lot of pyromancer vs mileena matches. A LOT! and this is what i experienced. oh and sometimes 2nd hit of her f2 whiffs on crouching opponents.

F2 is not reliable lol

 

[brizzle]

Well, Raidens problem isn't that displacer is crap, it's that TG outclasses it completely... But at the end of the day, Tanya is a character whose gameplay revolves around her Teleport, Raiden around his lightning strings, their variations should add different tools to complement their gameplay focus, it's ok that he doesn't have Tanya's teleport on top of all this IMO.


I think even without options selects he is top 3 quite easily. In my opinon. He's really damn strong

Nope Displacer is crap. Reg teleport is one of the worst moves in this game

 

[Vak Phoenix]

F2 is not reliable lol

only mid in pyromancer she can cancel intro a special, so yes only reliable mid is f2.

 

[SaltShaker]

I'm actually shocked people aren't outraged with Dark Shroud. I wreck shop with this move the second I get an opening.

Safe on block, has armor, can end virtually every string with it, breaks armor, and lasts for two years. Oh and the chip damage and added damage to the fireballs.

But alas, regular teleport is the real broken tool. *rolls eyes*

If I was a mod I would erase this post.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

one thing i dont understand is that, why do you guys consider variations to be characters? "im grandmaster main, im unbreakable main" if you are committing to play a character play all 3 variations, thats why they are there for... there is no best variation for a character, the variations are depended on match ups, im sure you all know. so why dont you master the character (all 3 variations) and then say what needs to be buffed or nerfed, not that i care honestly, cause bitching and complaining on this site has gotten all of my mains to get nerfed in every NRS game. so its bound to happen to Tanya cause of yall. ill be sitting and finding new tech as usual.

p.s Mileena rips apart pyromancer. but Kobu Jutsu tears down Mileena.

Because Unbreakable is possibly bottom 3 in the entire game as far as variation specific tools go

 

[Zoidberg747]

only mid in pyromancer she can cancel intro a special, so yes only reliable mid is f2.

The 2nd hit whiffs randomly on ducking opponents

 

[Vak Phoenix]

The 2nd hit whiffs randomly on ducking opponents

you can cancel it into a special when first hit hits.

 

[RunwayMafia]

If I was a mod I would erase this post.

Lmao, right? I really should just keep my mouth shut and let them carry on about reg. teleport.

#DeceptionQueens

 

[zerosebaz]

Wouldn't it be ok if they only reduce her meter building and see if that is enough? I feel a big problem with her is that she makes a lot of meter while running away, so by the time she is caught she can do breaker or EN teleport to break pressure and start her own. And this is even worst in pyromancer. If she built less meter she would have to be more careful by not always having breaker, would be more susceptible to pressure, and would have a harder time creating hers.

Considering she is still quite new, I feel not nerfing her tools, but rather how much she can use them could be a good way to go. There is always room for more later, if needed.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Very few people use Pyromancer, which may actually be Tanya's best variation, so people are not aware of Dark Shroud's effectiveness.

Kobu is by far the best variation imo...it doesn't rely on tele but uses it to enhance her already good spacing and pressure (which is better than the other 2)

 

[Vak Phoenix]

Kobu is by far the best variation imo...it doesn't rely on tele but uses it to enhance her already good spacing and pressure (which is better than the other 2)

not to mention gives 3 hitting armor breaker b2 and b1 which is double hitting 9 frame mid oh that advances forward during 2+4 and has a low after d2. oh and tonfa toss is faster than kitanas fantoss